Yes, I realize I'm flogging this, but even I am a bit stunned at how utterly unprepared Little Miss Suzie All-Caps is to have a real, content-oriented discussion on her favourite topic -- Teh Precious Fetuses. For someone who's been blogging on the subject for years, SUZANNE has clearly never once considered the actual legal ramifications of whatever legislation she would dearly love to pass.
Recall how carefully I phrased my challenge here:
Given the constant yammering about how the Knuckle Draggers Party of Canada is really, really after a majority in the next election, here's what I want to know: If you got that majority and could rewrite Canada's laws on reproductive rights any way you wanted, what would you do? ...
And I don't want any wishy-washy responses like, "We'd toughen up Canada's abortion laws" or "We'd make access to abortion more restrictive." Not good enough. What I want is detail, as in, actual legislation -- how you'd write your dream legislation into the Criminal Code of Canada...
I dearly would like to know what these fetus-fixated whackjobs would do if they actually got their hands on the levers of government.
Now, is there anyone here who doesn't understand what I was getting at? Seriously, could I have been any more precise in describing what I was after? That is, legislation. Not tear-jerking, heart-rending emotional blackmail, but actual laws. And yet ... and yet ... peruse what SUZANNE has offered up instead here in the comments section -- passage after passage of weepy, maudlin vacuity:
... people have no right to resent their children. If they feel "saddled" with an "unwanted kid", they should grow up. Loving children is a moral obligation. If a parent doesn't like children, he should grow up and learn to do so. He should get over whatever issues he has that's compelling him to demonstrate harmful behaviour...
Love is doing what is good for another person. And yes, I do believe that love is moral oblgiation towards children and everyone can choose to love their children. It's simply a matter of making that decision and taking the steps to ingrain those habits and that mentality that produces what is good for the child...
Then it's up to that person to learn those values, behaviours and thinking that will make them happy. People are not victims of their emotions. They can change their thinking and thereby change their emotions...
It is not a matter of convincing yourself. It is a matter of learning. Learning how to be loving. Love is a choice...
And on and on and, God help us, tediously on -- the relentless yanking at the heartstrings, the Harlequin Romance philosophy, the Lifetime Channel for Idiots happy ending, with nary a shred of actual legislation to be found.
It's truly depressing -- that someone can be that obsessed with a single issue, yet be utterly incapable of discussing it in an intelligent way when they're offered the chance. What level of delusion or intellectual laziness does that require?
No, no, please don't answer that. I really don't need to know.
ONCE AGAIN, and just so there's no misunderstanding, let me repeat an even more tightly-focused question for all the fetus fetishists out there. If you could criminalize abortion and force women to carry unwanted fetuses to term, what would you propose as their precise legal obligations the instant after that child is delivered?
It's a simple, straightforward question that doesn't lend itself to distortion or misrepresentation. The legal obligations. Nothing more. Think you can answer that?
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Oh, this is awful...
"Loving children is a moral obligation. If a parent doesn't like children, he should grow up and learn to do so."
The adult population is littered with the shattered lives of people (perhaps SUZANNE herself) whose parents or caregivers were not able, for whatever reasons, to do what she's asking here. And that's nothing new at all.
You don't know that about yourself until you have to be responsible for children and the time to learn that is well before you ever decide to have a child.
I learned it at a time and in a place when people still had big families and the entire community looked after children. I don't know what she thinks can happen these days, without re-imagining a vastly different society and economy...something along the lines of Atwood's Gilead, I think.
Suzanne, Fuck you you fucking cunt. I love my child dearly but there are times when even I feel overwhelmed. How fucking dare you demean my feelings or the feelings of any other human being. Feelings are not right or wrong, they just are. It's what you do with said feelings that matters.
Obviously your feelings aren't as strong in support of children you claim them to be either. How about you fly down to Baltimore and visit Deamonte Driver's grave. Maybe do a little protesting for the fucking asshole conservatives that let him die. Or how about you take a visit to Westminster, Maryland wherein the Westboro Baptist Church is preparing to protest the funeral of two teenagers who died when the driver of the mini van they were in fell asleep.
It is not a matter of convincing yourself. It is a matter of learning. Learning how to be loving. Love is a choice...
Yeah I'll remember you said that the next time one of your whacked out Fetus Fetishists like Paul Ross Evans walks into a clinic with women and babies around and drops off a propane tank wrapped in nails. Maybe he just needs to learn to love too.
Suzanne's reasoning sounds very much a mantra being trotted out in the face of a hard line, although I'm sure the use of that exact word isn't something she's allowed with its connections to yoga and other demon-attracting behaviours.
I have to echo other commentors in wondering at the phrasing and if Suzanne is wrestling with her own conflicted experiences and how /she/ was handled in like circumstances. Damned if you do and damned if you don't Guilt about children is huge in this and every other society I can bring to mind.
But wondering about Suzanne personally doesn't change the fact she'd gabbling. But what else can she do? She's been sold on the magical South Park formula that:
1. Legally ban all abortion/abortificants.
2. ???
3. Paradisical utopia like when dinosaurs roamed eating vegetables!
CCool and the gang are asking for Step 2!
She is the walking, talking, living, breathing (notice I left out "thinking" and "reasoning") example of why children should never be taught anything about any religion until they can learn to question the "authority" of it.
She's not a real woman. She's an echo chamber for anti-women. Ignore her. She and her kind will be extinct soon enough.
Love is doing what is good for another person.
Other women notwithstanding, presumably.
Chimera: I'd like to believe that, I honestly would...
what would you propose as their precise legal obligations the instant after that child is delivered?
Since the state would be forcing them to have children, and since the righthy fetus people don't like the government helping people, I'd ensure that all the anti-choice crusaders be forced to receive said children.
suzie all-caps and dr roy would have regular deliveries - they would be morally and legally compelled to raise those children...
This post and the comments attached to it bring to mind the story told in the US Army about why they adopted the .45 automatic as the standard officer's sidearm.
A hundred years ago, there was this asymmetrical conflict in the Philippine Islands, lately liberated from the Spanish Empire, and when American officers would shoot the hopped-up insurgents with their .38 revolvers, the hopped -up insurgents — who had something better than coke though I don't presently remember what it was— were so hopped-up they didn't even know they were dead. They just kept coming. Inflicting grievous injuries on the pride and bodies of the American officers.
See, the .45 automatic would knock them down even if they didn't know they were dead.
Some commenters from time to time have complained that I do appear to be capable of following the same thread as everyone else, so I'm going to state explicitly what this comment has to do with the saga of CC's efforts to engage SUZIE ALL-CAPS in what he describes as "a real, content oriented discussion on her favorite topic."
CC's frustration with SUZIE ALL-CAPS, it seems to me, is the same frustration that led the US Army to adopt the .45 automatic. CC keeps flogging this horse because this horse is so hopped-up on something — no doubt better than coke — that she doesn't even know she's dead.
On reflection, one could say the same think about Our Beloved Patrick. But I digress.
Do we delight or frustrate ourselves by aiming endless energy at the undead?
Do we delight or frustrate ourselves by aiming endless energy at the undead?
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who had something better than coke
"better" is a matter of opinion, but I know what you mean. I heard a similar story about police officers being attacked and repeatedly shooting people who had to be shot dead to stop them. They were on Angel Dust, aka PCP, an animal tranquilizer.
Engaging with SUZANNE is a necessary evil. If you have ever dealt with expert emotional manipulators, their entire strategy revolves around inducing an emotional state in which you are so shocked you simply accept and go along with whatever they want.
Recall the first time you saw a picture of an aborted fetus. Looked pretty gruesome, right? While you are in shock at that, your mind is much more receptive to fixing ideas into it, regardless of whether they make sense. These ideas later can only be explained as your "sense of conviction" about something, when in fact it is an idea that was implanted while you were in the shocked state. That is why you will see fetus fetishists convinced that the fetus was just as aware and intelligent as a baby. The shocking pictures are usually accompanied by a narrative to this effect.
Dealing with SUZANNE is no different than maintaining one's physical fitness. It helps in staying on top of the latest rhetoric and "arguments", and insulates you from being put into the shocked state that allows people such as her to manipulate.
Do we delight or frustrate ourselves by aiming endless energy at the undead?
You might not be aware that SUZANNE is a well-known enough figure in Christian circles. Their political advocacy has been much more vocal (and underhanded) since the the SSM campaign and the advent of the Harper government, through institutions such as Focus on the Family Canada, REAL Women and whatever lobby groups Mullah VcVety is currently heading.
This kind of fundagelical advocacy is largely foreign to our federal politics and so it's something that I consider both fascinating and frightening, given what's happened in the US. I suspect a lot of our politicians don't even know how to handle it all that well.
She represents more than just herself to a lot of us.
...Oh, and what LS said.
I dunno about yew, but it amuses me endlessly picturing her reading my replies.
Especially that latest one.
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