Well, you just knew this was coming -- it's perfectly reasonable to prevent the Council of Canadians from renting a community centre for a public forum because ... well, let's let commenter "Anonymous" explain it to you:
Nobody's stopping the Council of Canadians from having their meeting. They're stopping them from having their meeting within the 25KM security control zone during the period of time that control zone is in place.
The security control zone is in place to prevent the often violent protests generally organized by socialist/anarchist organizations like the Council of Canadians.
So, first of all, let's not get our panties in a bunch over this blatant repression of free speech. This, of course, from a demographic that can never get enough of free speech to, say, rant on about same-sex marriage and how gays are Teh Evil and how dare you try to curtail hate speech, and naturally, those same people should be able to serve whichever customers they choose and if you protest, well, you're just repressing their freedom of religious expression, and on and on and tediously on.
What's more amusing, though, is this idea that the Council of Canadians and similar folks can't possibly be allowed closer than 25KM to the meeting for security reasons because you just don't know when they're going to go off in anger, but those same people are absolutely infuriated by the thought of "buffer zones" of even a few dozen feet around abortion clinics because that would interfere with their God-given right to scream insults at, and possibly assault, already traumatized girls who are merely trying to exercise their right to a legal medical procedure.
But, you know, that's different, right?
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You seriously don't see a difference between a meeting of 3 nation's leaders and foot traffic in front of a abortion clinic? Seriously?
What are the odds of an assassination attempt on an abortion Dr. or patient? 1,000,000 : 1 ? More? Less?
Now what are the odds of an assassination attempt on one of those leaders? 50 : 50 ? Somewhere in there?
How many abortion clinics have been bombed, or the doctors murdered in the last 25 years? How many attempts made on the life of the Prime Minister or the President by demonstrators?
And lets not forget on whose authority the city turned down the request, the RCMP, the SQ and the U.S. Army. That's right the U.S. Army is now exercising control over political dissent in Canada.
Without independent verification I think the "US Army" claim is a little hard to swallow don't you? Got anything other than a statement from the radical C of C that corroborates/substantiates the facts of the case?
Well, since you ask:
"But Brent Patterson, the council's director of organizing, said a Papineauville official called late Tuesday to say the RCMP, the Surete du Quebec and the U.S. army would not allow the municipality to rent the facility to the council for the planned forum.
Mr. Patterson said Frederic Castonguay, the town's general manager, reported that Guy Cote, of the Quebec police force in Montreal, had told him the council "is an activist organization opposed to the summit and that it would not be wise to have us set up in the community centre."
Mr. Castonguay yesterday confirmed he had been called by Mr. Cote, who told him that the police and U.S. army need the community centre as a base of operations for summit security.
"They didn't want us to rent it to anyone because they need the room there to put equipment and special vehicles," he said, adding the police position was not open to debate. "There was no choice."
http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=6b8211fa-1acd-410e-b937-216b5370e3aa
Now what about those murdered doctors and bombed abortion clinics Anon? or do you need me to rub your nose in the chapter and verse on that one?
Further confirmation:
http://www.thestar.com/News/article/235060
Mr. Castonguay yesterday confirmed he had been called by Mr. Cote, who told him that the police and U.S. army need the community centre as a base of operations for summit security.
Thank you. You've confirmed that the US army is NOT acting unilaterally on Canadian soil.
How many abortion clinics have been bombed...
By my count, 2. Just 2.
...or the doctors murdered in the last 25 years
Again, it looks like only 2.
What's your point rev? Are you seriously trying to make some sort of equivalence between an doctor and the most powerful leader on the planet? Seriously?
oopsie... forgot the links:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=netscape-pp&rls=com.netscape%3Aen-US&q=%22abortion+clinic%22+bombing&btnG=Search
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=netscape-pp&rls=com.netscape%3Aen-US&q=%22abortion+doctor%22+murdered&btnG=Search
oopsie indeed,just have a look at the Wikipedia page linked to in the original post. I think your count is a little off.
And I never said the U.S. Army was acting unilaterally on Canadian soil. Go read my initial comment. I'm questioning why they have any say at all on Canadian soil. As for the most powerful leader on the planet being involved -- is the CEO of Haliburton coming?
The Council of Canadians, which by the way is hardly a bunch of foaming-at-the-mouth radical anarchists as you tried to imply in your other comments, wanted to hold a panel discussion at the community center, not a "bring your own pitchforks and torches" revolutionary march and bake sale.
If I recall, there haven't been any terrorist attacks by leftist in the United States or Canada since the days of the FLQ and the SLA -- about 30 years.
oopsie indeed,just have a look at the Wikipedia page linked to in the original post. I think your count is a little off.
You said 25 years. Do the math.
And I never said the U.S. Army was acting unilaterally on Canadian soil. Go read my initial comment.
Lets recap:
That's right the U.S. Army is now exercising control over political dissent in Canada.
Sounds like you were talking about unilateral action to me... Anyway, moving on...
The Council of Canadians, which by the way is hardly a bunch of foaming-at-the-mouth radical anarchists as you tried to imply in your other comments, wanted to hold a panel discussion at the community center, not a "bring your own pitchforks and torches" revolutionary march and bake sale.
Well, actually, to be accurate, I've got the C of C banner being waived in concert with the Hezbollah flag. If I remember correctly, there are also similar images out of Toronto as well...
If I recall, there haven't been any terrorist attacks by leftist in the United States or Canada since the days of the FLQ and the SLA -- about 30 years.
See point above. Seeing as the left in North America has aligned themselves with the terrorists, one could logically conclude that they have indeed participated in attacks...
"Seeing as the left in North America has aligned themselves with the terrorists, one could logically conclude that they have indeed participated in attacks..."
You are sack of pus.
A completely reprehensible, gutless, slimy shit stain on political discourse and debate.
Yeah, anon #1, as anon #2 has correctly and colourfully pointed out, the notion that the left is on the side of terrorism is a steaming pile, as are you. I think we are done here without me having to point out the other obvious logical fallacies in your post.
Anon #1 has a point. The last thing we want is for the Council of Canadians to rent a hall, and have a public debate on the same subject that our democratically-elected leaders are discussing within 25km of said public debate, ... break for lunch, go assassinate some politicians, ... meet up again at 2pm and then slip out of town before anyone notices them.
That Maude Barlow is ruthless, absolutely ruthless.
Well, actually, to be accurate, I've got the C of C banner being waived in concert with the Hezbollah flag. If I remember correctly, there are also similar images out of Toronto as well...
That should have read: "I've got video of the C of C banner being waived..."
If the C of C doesn't want to be associated with terrorist/terrorist supporters, they really shouldn't be marching with them in public demonstrations...
You are sack of pus.
A completely reprehensible, gutless, slimy shit stain on political discourse and debate
Agreed. Bomb in a bowls for life. I abhor whore.
If the C of C doesn't want to be associated with terrorist/terrorist supporters, they really shouldn't be marching with them in public demonstrations...
the C of C has no control over who marches in a demonstration -- I suppose they could ask that all banners be approved beforehand and that all protesters register and provide identification so that they could be vetted for unfortunate affiliations with groups the organizing body does not control, but then it would be like one of Dubya's Potemkin village hall meetings.
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