Thursday, March 06, 2008

Dear Liberals: Do you have any idea?


In all seriousness and addressed to any diehard Liberals out there, do you have even the remotest idea of the teeth-grinding fury you've provoked amongst Canada's progressives? Really, is the uproar over this latest exquisite fuckery of yours coming up in conversation in your little get-togethers? Because it should be. Because we. Are. Fucking. Pissed.

Do you people have a freakin' clue about the level of anger over this right now? Cherniak, you deluded fuckwit, whose idea was this? Let's have some explanations there, Jason. And they better be good because, I swear, the villagers are so damned close to grabbing their torches and pitchforks.

Once again then, Liberals, do you truly have this kind of death wish? Or are you all really that retarded? Because I just want to know if I should feel sorry for you, or just drag you out to the parking lot and introduce you to a truck bumper somewhere.

Is it too late for second thoughts on those re-education camps?

38 comments:

Ti-Guy said...

The issue is the that non-Liberals want an election now!

Why should Liberals agree to that? Seriously, what do you think will change?

Sheena said...

WTF is a "progressive"? I hate that fucking idiotic term.

Ti-Guy said...

Silence woman...Men talking.

frank said...

ti-guy,
I don't agree with ANYTHING you have ever written but goddamn sometimes I think you are genuinely funny.

Sheena said...

Considering I'm the only one who figured out "teee-guy" vs. "tie-guy", I think you owe me just a little bit more ass kissing, 'ti-guy.

I'll even bend over so you can reach up.

liberal supporter said...

Silence frank... Adults talking.

frank said...

Thanks for showing everyone the difference between funny and pathetic liberal supporter.

Ti-Guy said...

I'll even bend over so you can reach up.

The physics of this are escaping me.

And Fwank...save your compliments for when I start defending nazis.

liberal supporter said...

Thanks for showing everyone the difference between funny and pathetic liberal supporter.
No problem.

Have you received a new talking point memo from BT Central yet? Have they figured out what is actually happening?

frank said...

I can see why your a liberal ti-girl... it fits you like a glove you loser!!!

Ti-Guy said...

Oh, dear. That infatuation was over rather quickly.

And it's not "ti-girl"...it's cunt. C'mon...you know ya wanna...

Raphael Alexander said...

If CC becomes a Liberal basher, I may even link here on a regular basis.

Mike said...

RA, I suspect if the Liberals keep acting like and enabling the Conservatives, he will.

Cherniak_WTF said...

Ralphie, it's not so much a "Liberal basher" as non-partisan commentary. Something you and your fucktards have no clue about...

CC said...

Understand something: I've never been a big fan of the Liberals. I think Dion has been a hideously ineffective leader, but I've tolerated them only because I thought they provided at least a minimal check on the pure batshit craziness of the CPoC.

Sadly, that delusion has been dispelled. Now I have no use for them whatsoever. The sooner we have a cleansing fire that wipes that party off the political landscape and allows it to be replaced with useful people, the better.

Ti-Guy said...

In the meantime, RA, you can link to this guy for all your Liberal-bashing needs. If he changed his colour scheme to blue and got rid of a few graphics, you'd swear you were in BT-Land.

Gabe said...

Hey, this is an opportunity for another political party merger!
The Canadian Alliance swallowed the Progressive Conservatives whole, so why not the Liberals too?
Call them the Republicans...no, the Liberal-Conservative...OOH, the Conservative-Liberal-Alliance Party! That way, they can do advertising asking people if they've got the CLAP on their ballot.

Hopefully, this would result in the creation of an actual leftist brokerage party (instead of a niche policy party like the NDP), and a party I would be actually comfortable voting for.

frank said...

"And it's not "ti-girl"... it's cunt..."
Now you're just being creepy. Go take a shower or something.

liberal supporter said...

The sooner we have a cleansing fire that wipes that party off the political landscape and allows it to be replaced with useful people, the better.

Ralph Nader thought that in 2000. He figured a few years of the Retardicans in power would be a good tonic to get them out of peoples' systems without causing too much lasting damage. Think he was right?

Do you really want to do the same here with a CPC majority?

The Dion strategy has been to let the CPC get complacent enough to govern as if they have a majority. We're starting to get that taste now.

Remember "Stephen Harper would never touch abortion, even with a majority"? Then it was "See, nothing bad happened, and it's not because we have a minority".

They've been trying very hard to lull us into accepting that a CPC majority wouldn't be so bad, and we'd be able to "get more things done" but it's not working yet. That's because right now, they can do whatever they want, so the question always remains, what exactly do they need a majority for? So they've started ignoring the fact that it is a minority and we see the attack on the arts, and the attack on women.

I'm glad to see some people here are finally getting angry. It's about fucking time. But it's only a start, it has to spread far beyond a few blogs.

I might as well tell you, it's going to be allowed to get a lot worse though. We need a wholesale revolt of the 60% that don't want the CPC and their "i'm all right jack" philosophy. When the majority is willing to vote together, we can toss these bums out for a generation.

I think the campaign will start shortly after the public beheading of Kohail in Saudi Arabia goes viral on youtube.

rabbit said...

LS:

The Dion strategy has been to let the CPC get complacent enough to govern as if they have a majority.

So the Liberal strategy has been to let the tories do whatever they want? Well executed, I must say. Stupid me, I just assumed that Dion was inept.

But I do find it a bit crass that the Liberals are going to wait for a public beheading before they begin their palace revolt. I'm thinking the guy on death row is wishing the Liberals would move their plans forward a wee bit.

liberal supporter said...

Stupid me
Agreed.

Good rabbit. I was concerned about revealing what is actually going on. Glad to see your sneer is still in place.

No, it's not a matter of "waiting" for a beheading. Nice try, you guys never stray from your play book of twisting other peoples' words. But you do agree the CPC is going to bungle this horribly, don't you.

The CPC agenda will be completely visible in all its sickening glory when the plug is pulled. You won't know what hit you.

Raphael Alexander said...

Something you and your fucktards

Me and my...? I don't speak for the BTs any more than Dion speaks for CC.

In the meantime, RA, you can link to this guy for all your Liberal-bashing needs.

I did. Today, in fact.

rabbit said...

LP:

I'm not a conservative, although I do get accused of being one now and then. I've also been accused of being a liberal, although that's much rarer.

But did you really think people would buy that "it's all part of a cunning plan" line? I mean come on.

liberal supporter said...

I'm not a conservative
Of course not. You are a CPC. Not at all the same.

But did you really think people would buy that "it's all part of a cunning plan" line? I mean come on.
I don't care what you buy. I'm glad you poo poo this, actually. I am simply pointing out that things are going to get so bad that even NDPs would rather vote for the Liberals, in order to kick the far right extremist CPCs out. Letting them have free reign is causing them to show their true colours while they can still be stopped.

It's working so well, you continue to dissemble with the Party line of "Not a Leader"!!

Cherniak_WTF said...

Ralph, if Harper told you to eat his shit and told you it was nutella, you'd be one of the first to "inform" us how good nutella is for you.

I've never seen a single BT question the party line no matter how fucking retarded it is...

Ti-Guy said...

I'm not a conservative, although I do get accused of being one now and then. I've also been accused of being a liberal, although that's much rarer.

Here's a thought...why don't you argue in support of something...anything...once in a while?

What marks Conservatives these days is simply the ability to say they don't like something, while rarely explaining why. I mean, that's how we've ended up with two years of a defamatory and libelous campaign against Stéphane Dion. If they could get away with, they'd poke fun at this glasses or run an ad stating "Don't you just hate Dion? Don't you just hate him a lot."

Being against something is the easiest thing in the world. Being for something requires effort and is something else altogether.

pogge said...

I am simply pointing out that things are going to get so bad that even NDPs would rather vote for the Liberals, in order to kick the far right extremist CPCs out.

So the cunning plan is for the Liberals to convince me to vote for them by demonstrating how well they can sit on their hands and do sweet fuck-all while a minority Conservative government does all the things that Liberals claim to oppose.

I think I see a flaw in that plan. And that's without even considering the fact that I live in a riding where the Liberals have traditionally run a distant third. So often the Liberals who talk about strategic voting seem to overlook the possibility that it might not always work in their favour.

Raphael Alexander said...

Ralph, if Harper told you to eat his shit and told you it was nutella, you'd be one of the first to "inform" us how good nutella is for you.

Utter nonsense. I've been taking the government to account on everything from the detainees and broken election promises, to CadScam and the empty budget.

I've never seen a single BT question the party line no matter how fucking retarded it is...

No worries. I don't need your traffic.

Raphael Alexander said...

It's working so well, you continue to dissemble with the Party line of "Not a Leader"!!

That's because Dion is not a ... gasp... leader. The progress-o-sphere just admitted as much.

Zorpheous said...

Actually I have been reading Rapheal for about a month now and found him to be reasonable most of the time. I don't always agree with him, but he does like to debate the issues, and while he may not be as "harshly critical" as we are of Harper, what he says is true.

Raphael is not kool aid drinker, and I would rank him with Andrew from Bound by Gravity.

Personal I seen many BTer's knife Raphael in back because he dares to question and critique.

CC said...

liberal supporter referred to:

"The Dion strategy ..."

I'm sorry, LS ... I just snorted scotch out of my nose at that one. I'm sure you'll understand why.

thwap said...

excellent, so the Liberals' political strategy is:

"We can't win, we're only the traditional government party, and our leader sucks, and our ideas suck, and our credibility went the way of Paul Martin, ... so let's let the Conservatives do everything they want, BECAUSE WE CAN'T OFFER ANYTHING BETTER."

How totally fucking pathetic.

I noticed further up the thread, that someone had the audacity to introduce the old "Ralph Nader sank the Democrats" meme.

Utter complete bullshit.

The goddamned Repugs and the SCOTUS STOLE the goddamned 2000 and 2004 elections.

Just like a pathetic whining coward, instead of going after the group that really hurt them, the Democrats choose to take their frustrations out on some weaker target that had NOTHING to do with their problems.

But there's one relevant thing about the US Democrat example.

There's a dimes-worth of differnce between the two parties. One is a bunch of batshit crazy fuckheads with some ugly social baggage, while the other one is a more respectable presentation of the same neoliberal garbage that's done so much damage to its country.

The Democratic party will stay in Iraq, it will drag-out NAFTA, ... the Lib front bench, all of them, wanted to go into Iraq, and they LOVE NAFTA.

The Liberal Party should die, and die quickly.

Spare me any "nuance." Look what they vote for, look what they've done.

Absolute garbage.

Jennifer Smith said...

So who are you going to vote for? The Greens? Even if they had a hope in hell of winning more than three seats, there are still some disturbingly social conservative elements in the party. The NDP? Puleese. Their credibility is stuffed down the same toilet as the Liberals'.

You could do as you suggested earlier and write 'Fuck You!' on your next ballot, but that would just give the HarperCons carte blanche for the next decade or two.

You could work at starting some sort of new progressive party, but how many years would it take for something like that to take off? And all the while Harper fiddles while Canada burns.

Here's a thought: how about taking the party with the best shot at forming the next government and try FIXING IT!

Instead of screeching at them from the outside, how about joining up and encouraging others to do so? How about working towards purging the party of the sedentary, pro-corporate assholes who value nothing beyond keeping their own seats by flooding the party with a new wave of true progressives?

Or do you have a better idea? Because really, we all know what the problems are - I'm still waiting to hear some practical solutions that will make things better and not saddle us with another two decades of Republican-style Conservative rule.

Bloggers bitch and bitch, but how many get their hands dirty and actually try to change things?

bigcitylib said...

What bothers me about this is how littel attention it has garnered in the MSM (or among anyone I've talked to). You can't really blame the Libs for taking a pass on something that (despite the fine efforts of many Prog bloggers) has zero public profile.

Furthermore, this may be a case where things look bad upfront but the bill dies somewhere in committee or the Senate or comes out of committee totally different.

That is the point, right, to kill the legislation?

b_nichol said...

Essentially, BCL's post is a repeat of what was posted after CC's challenge for LibLogs to respond to this C-484 nonsense. Since BCL seems to have turned of comments for now, let me repaeat what I said there:

I'm not quite sure of your second point, BCL. You are saying that it would be better to have the bill killed or altered in committee, or in the senate, for political expediency, so that Liberal So-Cons don't cross the floor. At what point do so-called "Liberal" values kick in? If those So-Con-Libs allow the bill to pass and this stupid piece of legislation becomes law, just what purpose would that serve? Oh, I know: the Liberals get to keep their seat numbers up, appearing to the great unwashed as the big-tent party and obvious choice for the next government (not that they would do anything different in power). Good grief, BCL, that is the absolutely worst piece of self-serving drivel I have ever heard.
As for your first point, "So you can't really blame the Libs for dodging an issue this low-profile."
Since when does this current crop of Liberals need to have an excuse for dodging an issue?

Gigi said...

If they could get away with, they'd poke fun at this glasses or run an ad stating "Don't you just hate Dion? Don't you just hate him a lot."

No they won't.

Too many people thinking, "Yep, but not as much as we hate you."

Christ, people were livid at the Liberals and they still couldn't get a majority.

What I wouldn't give to have an election where I vote FOR someone instead of AGAINST everyone else. Does anyone actually LIKE the leader of any of the parties? It might be time to drop them all in the middle of James Bay and start again.

liberal supporter said...

"The Dion strategy ..."

I'm sorry, LS ... I just snorted scotch out of my nose at that one. I'm sure you'll understand why.


Yes, that's because the strategy is working. If you look at Harper and Dion, Harper is completely outclassed as a strategist. He would stomp off home if he was given the situation Dion started with. The CPC actually has to tell us what a masterful chess player Steve is. Harper is a thug and tries to bully his opponents into submission, Dion is simply tiresome and causes opponents to get angry and thereby lose. He's tweaking Harper's nose all the time.

Dion has always won by making everyone underestimate him. He did it in the leadership campaign. He did it in demolishing every argument the separatists could come up with. He's even got you thinking he is a vacuous ineffectual collaborator.

If you think that way, just think how the CPC is bamboozled. It has caused them to relax the iron control over their minions. Now we are seeing their truly frightening crazies demonstrating what majority government would be like with them. We already have polls saying people don't think Harper is too bad as PM (I agree), but would never trust him with a majority (I wholeheartedly agree).

The current inexplicable Liberal actions are emboldening the CPC and encouraging them to act in ways that reinforce that view that they cannot be trusted with a majority. The rumblings within the CPC have already started, an impatience that the real agenda is still on hold, so they are starting to try to implement it. Instead of giving C-484 a quiet early death, which Harper can take to the CPC to keep them under control "until the majority", his hand is being forced.

When you consider the CPC party line on climate change amounts to "Kyoto isn't an attempt to help anything, it has an ulterior motive", then watch them claim C-484 "has nothing to do with abortion, there is no ulterior motive", even their people must see the inconsistency.

The bill is acquiring legs (as we see here) and a major battle is shaping up. Note the timing. A lot of people are off on March break. Kids are home, people visit and talk. Often you see shifts in public opinion over holidays. A lot of people will be out of the country, gaining first hand insight into how our neo-con government is seen elsewhere as being a bunch of retards. Then they return to a few byelections on the first day back.

You may see some rapid change if Martha and Bob get into the House. This is another reason for playing possum. If the government fell today on a confidence motion, those byelections would be off. Even a few weeks in the House gives them a big advantage in a general election. It gives momentum.

liberal supporter said...

excellent, so the Liberals' political strategy is:

"We can't win, we're only the traditional government party, and our leader sucks, and our ideas suck, and our credibility went the way of Paul Martin, ... so let's let the Conservatives do everything they want, BECAUSE WE CAN'T OFFER ANYTHING BETTER."

You could be a BT, you take someones words and twist them into unrecognizable shapes almost as well as they do. You know I pointed out that this is part of a strategy. You don't have to agree with it. You don't have to like it. You don't have to think it will work. But you don't have to mischaracterize it.


How totally fucking pathetic.
They're playing possum, letting the CPC show it's true colours while they can still be stopped.

I noticed further up the thread, that someone had the audacity to introduce the old "Ralph Nader sank the Democrats" meme.
No. Go back and reread what I said.

Utter complete bullshit.
Insightful.

The goddamned Repugs and the SCOTUS STOLE the goddamned 2000 and 2004 elections.
With help from Diebold.

Just like a pathetic whining coward, instead of going after the group that really hurt them, the Democrats choose to take their frustrations out on some weaker target that had NOTHING to do with their problems.
I didn't know they did, but that is irrelevant here.

But there's one relevant thing about the US Democrat example.
Yes. My point was that Ralph was asked if he cared whether he might split the vote, as it was purported that Ross Perot did in 1992. His answer implied that a few years of GWB would not be that bad.

That was my point. It looks like you think giving CPC a majority by default would be worth it to spank the Liberals.

There's a dimes-worth of differnce between the two parties. One is a bunch of batshit crazy fuckheads with some ugly social baggage, while the other one is a more respectable presentation of the same neoliberal garbage that's done so much damage to its country.
I prefer the Gore Vidal version: "[t]here is only one party in the United States, the Property Party...and it has two right wings: Republican and Democrat. Republicans are a bit stupider, more rigid, more doctrinaire in their laissez-faire capitalism than the Democrats, who are cuter, prettier, a bit more corrupt—until recently... and more willing than the Republicans to make small adjustments when the poor, the black, the anti-imperialists get out of hand. But, essentially, there is no difference between the two parties."

The Democratic party will stay in Iraq, it will drag-out NAFTA, ... the Lib front bench, all of them, wanted to go into Iraq, and they LOVE NAFTA.
I supported the war in Iraq at the time. I support free trade in principle, but NAFTA is not really free trade since it forces everyone into a race to the bottom. I supported the war in Afghanistan. The problem in all of these is that the CPC is full of posturing idiots, kind of a "build it and they will come" mentality, expecting the war to win itself. They just don't get it on anything to do with international relations.

The Liberal Party should die, and die quickly.
I doubt it will.

Spare me any "nuance." Look what they vote for, look what they've done.
You are pretty nuance free yourself.

Absolute garbage.
Perhaps, but you can either deal with it, or choose not to. Pragmatism is what is needed.