Monday, January 28, 2008

This is why I fight.


There are those who would have you believe that the Morgentaler decision was the beginning of the end for civilized society in Canada. They are convinced that this was an immoral affront to good people everywhere that must be overturned by any means necessary. In the last 30 years, the following violent attacks have been perpetrated by extremist pro-life factions in the United States and Canada:

• 7 murders, including three doctors, two clinic employees, a security guard, and an escort;
• 17 attempted murders;
• 383 death threats;
• 153 incidents of assault and battery;
• 3 kidnappings;
• 41 bombings;
• 173 arsons;
• 91 attempted bombings or arsons;
• 619 bomb threats;
• 655 bioterror attacks (all hoaxes), 554 of which were committed by one man;
• 1630 incidents of trespassing;
• 1264 incidents of vandalism; and
• 100 attacks with butyric acid stink bombs.

Their complaints that they’ve been silenced are plastered across national newspapers and on cars covered with abortion porn and on street corners in front of clinics but still they play the victim. They lie. And this is why I fight.

These supposedly morally superior people consider themselves “pro-life” warriors on a mission from God and accuse those who disagree with them of being “pro-death”. They use terms like “pro-aborts” and “poor choicers” to describe anyone who believes that a woman has a fundamental right to choose what happens to her body, convinced that only they know best. They argue that it isn’t a matter of choice at all even as they seek to impose their views and their choices on everyone. They refer to the pro-choice movement as one that embraces a “culture of death”, while holding themselves up as defenders of the very sanctity of life. But this doesn’t seem to stop them from standing outside clinics and screaming accusations of “baby killer” at women struggling with a decision that is no one’s business but their own as they attempt to enter those very same clinics.

Their so-called “pro-life” movement is comprised of the worst sorts of hypocrites and they need to be called on it at every opportunity. Their ultimate goal is to ensure that women everywhere will be left with choices that only they approve of ... which would be no choice at all. They do not now, nor will they ever, speak for me. And this is why I will never stop fighting.

Some further musings. My son turned 18 in December and it got me thinking about a lot of things. I was barely older than he is now when I found out I was pregnant. After the initial “holy fuck” reaction, I explored my options and made my choice. Clueless know-it-all brat that I was, I chose to have him. Raising him on my own is the hardest thing that I have ever done and I have an incredible support structure in my parents, sisters and extended family and friends. I love him endlessly but how much of that love is predicated on the fact that his birth was a choice I made and not one that I was forced to make? Probably none. I’d like to think that my boundless love for him is instinctive but we’ll never know, will we? Because I had choices.

Essentially, that’s what this fight is all about. I wish every pregnancy was planned and eagerly anticipated, but that just isn’t reality. There’s always the possibility that some woman is staring at that little blue stick thinking “What do I do now?” She needs choices ... so it’s up to us to make sure that the misogynistic hypocrites in the pro-life movement are never allowed to speak for her.

37 comments:

Mike said...

Don't forget their constant clogging of 9-1-1 with reports of murder at abortion clinics, endangering everyone with their jihad.

E in MD said...

Yes but there is absolutely no such thing as Christian terrorists.

Prole said...

Well said, LuLu.

Patrick Ross said...

Yes, those are all very bad things.

But I also remember that you people were very much amused by this.

'Nuff said.

LuLu said...

Ed Snell? Seriously, Patrick, why don't you try just a tiny bit harder to ignore the 7 murders and 17 attempted murders of clinic workers and patients. No big deal, right?

No doubt you people are greatly amused by that.

Patrick Ross said...

Actually, no. I regard the murder or attempted murders of clinic workers and patients as crimes at best and terrorist acts at worst.

Just as I regard pushing a 69-year-old man off the roof of a car to be a criminal assault (although I draw the line at act of terrorism).

How is it you can't recognize that?

LuLu said...

I've never stated otherwise. I just find it very hard to feel sorry for a man who builds a platform on top of his car to make it easier to scream at women who are entering a private clinic from behind a 7-foot fence that the clinic put up to protect their clients.

Do I agree with what happened to him? No. But I'm not surprised by it.

Patrick Ross said...

Whether you like it or not, Ed Snell has the right to freedom of speech.

Do I personally like anyone who builds a platform on the roof of his car so he can scream over the fence line at people? No.

But nobody has the right to push him off of a car just for speaking his mind. Even if you didn't condone that, your partner-in-hate did.

It's all about the company you keep, ain't it? Enjoy swimming the cesspool.

LuLu said...

*yawn*

I'm enjoying it just fine, thanks ever so for the good wishes. By the way, "cess pool" is actually 2 words - just thought I'd mention that since you're all about the details.

Ti-Guy said...

But nobody has the right to push him off of a car just for speaking his mind. Even if you didn't condone that, your partner-in-hate did.

If you were up there, I'd kick your fat arse off there in a heartbeat.

...just to watch you bounce doughily on the pavement below. You appear to be very well-padded.

*oink oink*

Alison said...

It's not a cesspool, fool, it's a free access pool.
Nice work, Lulu.

Kelseigh said...

Just how much does a person have to twist reality to think of Ed Snell's actions as simply "speaking his mind". He went way above and beyond that standard a long time before he built a platform in order to harrass and intimidate innocent women.

jj said...

Great post, Lulu, just excellent. I'm amazed and heartened at the depth of support for this issue.

Patrick - Ed who?

E in MD said...

While I agree that pushing the asshole off of a car is an assault I agree with Lulu that I am hardly surprised by it.

What I fail to understand is why this asshole Snell's right to freedom of expression should trump another person's right to freedom of expression and privacy. Whether abortion is legal or not, it's none of Snell's or the rest of Wingnutistan's business if someone keeps a baby, aborts it or gives it away. It's not your body or your fetus to make that decision.

So Snell should take his new found martyr status and go whine about it to someone who gives a damn. When you make your living ( or jollies ) by harassing people you need to understand that eventually you're going to meet someone who isn't going to put up with it. Also considering the number of people the fetus fetishist crowd has murdered in pursuit of their fetish he's damned lucky someone didn't shoot his descended from monkeys ass.

If the situation were reversed, and a bunch of frothing liberals were standing outside a church screaming at the people walking in and out with bullhorns and megaphones they'd all be attacked on the spot, get the stuffing beat out of them and THEN be turned over to the police.

the rev. said...

there's a not-so-fine line between speaking your mind and harrassment Patsy. Standing across the street with a sign is speaking your mind, building a platform on your car to look over a privacy fence is harrassment. I wouldn't have pushed him but I would have turned the dogshit gun on him.

Jennifer Smith said...

And here I'd thought we had already dismissed the whole Ed Snell story as urban myth. Guess not.

In regards to your ACTUAL post subject, I find it repulsive that the fetus fetishers have glommed onto 'Juno' as some sort of pro-life manifesto, when in fact it's all about a girl who makes a choice.

Kinda like you.

prolifemama said...
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prolifemama said...

To E in MD: A frothing group of liberals DID, once upon a time, scream at parishioners, but were bold enough to do so inside the church building. It happened on December 10 of 1989, during Mass at St. Patrick's Cathedral in New York City. Read Rex Wockner's account:

http://wockner.blogspot.com/2007/03/analog-act-up-memories.html

Not only were the frothers not "attacked on the spot" nor did they get "the stuffing beat out out of them", they actually engaged in a great many disruptive antics (yelling profanities, desecrating a consecrated host, etc.) before being peacefully carried away, one by one, by the police. Some frothers who had staged a "die-in" in the Cathedral's aisles were carried out on stretchers.

Prolife folk aren't about taking choices away. We recognize the humanity of every human person, regardless of their race, age, place of residence (womb or nursing home), gender, level or lack of activity and/or productivity, religious belief or rejection of same, income or lack thereof.

We also, unlike the 'counselors' at most abortion mills, acknowledge the agonizing despair of women who chose abortion and came to intensely regret their choice, one oftentimes made without all the information they needed, such as how their daughter or son would be killed, her or his abilities at various points along the gestational timeline, her or his physical development at the time she or he was aborted.

Little things, such as learning her daughter had fingerprints, eyelashes, and could suck her thumb at the time she was aborted, can slowly tease an aborted mother's heart and mind into insanity, while all the time she laments "If only one person had told me they'd stand by me during my pregnancy, I would NEVER have let them kill my child. I didn't want to have the abortion in the first place!!! Why didn't anyone tell me!??!!"

We also recognize the truth in the following quote by Albert Schweitzer: "If a man loses his reverence for any part of life, he will lose his reverence for all of life." (BTW, I'm certain Albert used the word "man" in a generic, inclusive sense, and meant no politically incorrect slur against women.)

LuLu said...

Prolife folk aren't about taking choices away.

Apparently, you aren't about telling the truth, either. Can you honestly say you don't want abortion, and by extension a woman's right to "choose", outlawed? So how are you not about taking choices away?

Nice try ... you might want to rethink that argument.

GroovyJ said...

Pushing someone off the roof of a car is assault. That said, many things are assault that get done on a daily basis, and generally nothing gets done about it. If I go to a bar and spend half the night hitting on someone's girlfriend, and he (or she) punches me in the face over it, then that is assault too. If I'm walking down the street, and someone starts following me around, screaming loudly every time I attempt to talk to anyone, and I kick his ass, that too is assault.

Despite this, all of these assaults would be held by most people to be perfectly justified, as long as I stopped short of hospitalizing the guy. Unless he was rich, the odds are very good that nothing would ever happen to me.

Our society includes not only rules dealing with what kind of behavior is legal, but also rules on what kind of behavior is socially acceptable. People who behave in a socially unacceptable manner on a sustained basis end up getting hurt, and unless someone has an ideological axe to grind, they generally respond to that by shrugging and saying "Oh well, he deserved it."

I would say that this is such a case.

E in MD said...

By Blogger prolifemama, at 1:16 PM

Ah... so that's why you scream at women and call them whores. It's so they'll realize you're not trying to take away choices... you're just trying to protect 'people' no matter where they live.

Once upon a time? Give me a break. So 1989 was the most recent time that you could find something that the left did like that? Amazing that this us before the resurgeance of the right wing too.

before being peacefully carried away, one by one, by the police.

Hell of a sight better than shooting someone in the back, dropping chemicals into their place of business or putting a bomb in the parking lot.

I can look to last summer where one of you radical fetus fetishists tried to deliver a propane tank wrapped in nails to a women's clinic. Bombs don't discriminate between women and babies. When is the last time a leftist murdered an anti-abortion protester? Or used chemical weapons against one of your little terror clubs?

Bullshit. You people aren't about education. You aren't even about saving lives. You are about social domination and forced conformity to YOUR will. You use the same tactics that the Mafia and Al Quaeda have been using for years. You use fear and intimidation and the threat of assault and murder again people when they are at their most vulnerable to force them to accept what YOU think is right. If there was any justice left in this shithole hemisphere then people like Paul Ross Evans would have been sent to Gitmo too.

Over a million dead in Iraq right now including Children. Where are your protests?

Where was your indignation whne 4 US marines took turns raping and then murdered 14 year old Abeer Qassim al-Janabi and her entire family to cover it up? Where are your frothing, screaming Ed Snells then?

Where are your protests of the civilian murders that Blackwater is still not being tried for from Nissour Square? Guess those don't matter either eh?

Where were your protests when 12 year old Deamonte Driver from down here in MD, died in February of this year because his mother lacked enough health coverage to take him to a dentist and the bacteria in an abscess in his mouth spread to his brain? Where were your protests when the President vetoed SCHIP?

It must be awful convenient to be that selective with human lives. Must save you gas. Can't afford all that driving to so many protests with the price of oil being so high.

You people don't give a shit about anything but your own power and influence. Your modus operandi speaks thar loudly enough. You just wrap yourself in the flag and in little crucifixes because you think people in power will cowtow to you.

Eventually the pendulum will swing back as it always does and you will be returned to the fringes of society you enjoyed in the 70's.

prolifemama said...

Prolife folk aren't about taking choices away.
(prolifemama)


Lulu said:
Apparently, you aren't about telling the truth, either. Can you honestly say you don't want abortion, and by extension a woman's right to "choose", outlawed? So how are you not about taking choices away?

Nice try ... you might want to rethink that argument.


Since you insist on being obtuse, I’ll restate. Prolifers are not, as proaborts insist, out to run other people’s lives, but to save powerless people’s lives from powerful people who want to kill them. But the fundamental prolife goal is to reassure a desperate mother that she doesn’t have to choose between herself and her child. When a mother feels pitted against her child to the point that she chooses to kill that child just to survive, we as a society have utterly failed them both.

As Frederica Mathewes-Green states, “No one wants an abortion as she wants an ice cream cone or a Porsche. She wants an abortion as an animal, caught in a trap, wants to gnaw off its own leg.” Women don’t want abortions, they want the problems that an unintended pregnancy creates to go away. Prolifers help them solve those problems, and in a way that leaves both mother and baby not only intact, but thriving. Abortion hurts women. Women deserve better.

No choice happens in a vacuum. What makes a choice ‘good’ or ‘bad’ is not only whether the chooser made the choice freely (and many aborting women did not), but ultimately the results of that choice. When one person chooses abortion, another person is deprived of his/her life. Abortion isn’t the only, or even a good, option. Women deserve better.

CC said...

Prolifemama:

The fact that you choose to use the dishonest and offensive moniker of "proabort" instead of "pro-choice" makes it clear that you're not worth discussing the subject with.

Feel free to come back when you grow up and are ready to chat like an adult. Seriously.

E in MD said...

Prolifers help them solve those problems, and in a way that leaves both mother and baby not only intact,

By calling women whores, throwing feces on them, screaming obscenities and bible verses at them, murdering abortion doctors and planting bombs in clinics. Yeah that's so much better. All the problems of the world would be solved if people would just do what you say.

How's the air up there on that pedestal you're placing yourself on?

I'm sure this includes all the women who would die from childbirth. You're just trying to save them too right? And all the victims of rape and incest who would be even more tortured by the fact that because of you right wing types they must now deliver the baby of their rapist.

another person is deprived of his/her life.

All your grandstanding makes it sound like doctors are all a bunch of sociopaths just juicing to slice open a woman and suck a viable happy bouncing child from her loins. But yet again it's all just propaganda. Just like the 'Abortion causes breast cancer' lie. Just like the 'abortion causes cervical cancer lie'. Just like the 'Condoms don't prevent STD' lie. Just like the whole 'Stem Cell Research Destroys Babies' nonsense. A clump of cells is not a person. It doesn't have rights any more than a tumor or toenail has rights. Even the bible doesn't consider a fetus a human being until AFTER it's out of the mother for a month. You've already got your pet President to outlaw 'late term abortion' the next step is all those laws currently on the books that criminalize it as soon as you manage to take down Roe v Wade. Yeah you're 'just looking to save lives' by putting victims in prison because they don't want to have daddy's baby.

Perhaps your arguments would be a bit more successful if you wingnuts weren't trying to whittle down sex education and deny aid and medical care to women and children. The proof is in the pudding, all that abstinence education does squat and is only causing more unwanted pregnancies and spreading more STD's. If kids are properly educated not just to not have sex but to use a condom if they do the numbers go back down. Your divide and conquer tactics only serve to cause more abortions, not lessen them.

Personally I'm against abortion. I don't like the idea of it. I couldn't imagine being in a circumstance where I thought it was a viable option. I'd like to see better education. I'd like to see kids told that the best option is not to have sex, but also be told that if they do have sex these are the consequences and this is how you protect yourself.

But you know what? It's not my place to make that decision with another person's life and well being and it is ridiculous to me that you would put control of your body in the hands of some asshole who doesn't now you wouldn't cross the street to piss on you were you on fire. The only people who's business an abortion is is the father, the mother and the doctor in question. Not yours. Not your church's. Not your little PAC. Not the state and not the asshole in the oval office.

Don't like abortion? Don't fucking have one. Sounds simple enough to me.

prolifemama said...

CC said: The fact that you choose to use the dishonest and offensive moniker of "proabort" instead of "pro-choice" makes it clear that you're not worth discussing the subject with.

Feel free to come back when you grow up and are ready to chat like an adult. Seriously.


CC, people don’t get offended when you lie about them, they get offended when you tell the truth about them. If you acquiesce to abortion remaining legal, you’re proabort. You’re not antiabort, and you’re certainly not prolife.

prolifemama said...

(Prolifemama responds to E’s 01/30/08, 2:19 am post)

First off, you need to admit that you’re blanket-accusing every prolifer of either directly committing the violence you mention, or at the very least, of sanctioning it. However, as much as this will irritate you, all mainstream prolife orgs condemn all violence, especially violence that ends in death (I think that’s because they’re … prolife. And I am a mainstream prolifer, as are the majority of prolifers. (C’mon, you know the rowdy ones get all the press.)

Once upon a time? Give me a break. So 1989 was the most recent time that you could find something that the left did like that? Amazing that this us before the resurgeance of the right wing too.

That was just the incident that came immediately to mind, after reading your ‘hypothetical.’ Since you’re such a whiz on the net, try googling incidents of pro-choice violence. In addition to the actual abortions, I mean. The most recent? How about a sampling of prochoice violence over the years? Which, including the actual abortions done, far outstrips the prolife variety, including murders of postborns. Go to http://abortionviolence.com/. Check out the North America map – click on various states and Canadian provinces and territories to see waddup with angry prochoicers there.

You people don't give a shit about anything but your own power and influence. Your modus operandi speaks thar loudly enough. You just wrap yourself in the flag and in little crucifixes because you think people in power will cowtow to you.

?????

I challenge you, E from MD, to read David C. Reardon’s book, Aborted Women – Silent No More. If you can keep your intense anger and hatred under control, perhaps listening to an actual aborted mother who wishes she’d chosen life for her child would open your mind. Perhaps you could find a woman who was helped by a prolifer, not just during her pregnancy, but after her baby’s birth, and keeps in touch with her yet today. Perhaps you could listen to a woman who buried her abortion under drugs, sex, self-abuse, and is now being helped to heal by a caring, dedicated counselor who herself is post-abortive, and knows what she’s been through and going through.

Look for weeds, you’ll find ‘em. Look for flowers, and everything’s coming up roses.

Think you can handle it, E?

prolifemama said...

To "E in MD", re E's 01/30/08 10:15 am response:

It’s the E in MD Cliché festival, complete with flying spittle!

Instead of spewing inflammatory rhetoric, why don’t you pick out your favorite pet peeve, and we’ll discuss. Up to it, E?

CC said...

prolifemama waxes incoherent:

"CC, people don’t get offended when you lie about them, they get offended when you tell the truth about them. If you acquiesce to abortion remaining legal, you’re proabort. You’re not antiabort, and you’re certainly not prolife."

And yet, PLM, here you are, going under the handle "prolifemama" when, as we all know, the proper moniker would be "antichoicemama," since that is precisely what you are.

I await the name change with bated breath.

CC said...

PLM takes exception to E's hyperbole:

"First off, you need to admit that you’re blanket-accusing every prolifer of either directly committing the violence you mention, or at the very least, of sanctioning it."

Yeah, E, let's not over-generalize. After all, it's only a small fraction of the anti-choicers who murder abortion providers with high-powered rifles.

And handguns. Some of them use handguns.

LuLu said...

Don't forget the firebombs ... and I think it was a pipebomb during the 1996 Atlanta Olympics. My but they are multifunctional crazies, aren't they?

prolifemama said...

CC said: And yet, PLM, here you are, going under the handle "prolifemama" when, as we all know, the proper moniker would be "antichoicemama," since that is precisely what you are.

So, because you know I’m prolife, you also “know” as facts the other things of which you accuse me. I think that’s called prejudice. Bigotry would also apply.

In the real world, I am pro more choices than any proabort would ever have the guts to offer a mother in crisis pregnancy. Abortion isn’t a choice – it’s desperation.

CC also said: "First off, you need to admit that you’re blanket-accusing every prolifer of either directly committing the violence you mention, or at the very least, of sanctioning it."

Yeah, E, let's not over-generalize. After all, it's only a small fraction of the anti-choicers who murder abortion providers with high-powered rifles.

True. Glad you’re coming around.

CC said...

Holy fuck, what an overwhelming lack of self-awareness. The rest of you can try to communicate with this twit -- I'm outta here. Life is just too short.

LuLu said...

Well I'm not doing it - I'm a little concerned that teh st00pid is catching.

Last word on this: I don't know any one who is pro-abortion, they're pro-choice. Can you see the fundamental difference?

What am I saying? Of course you can't. Thanks for coming out "antichoicemama", it's been tiresome.

prolifemama said...

CC said: Holy ----, what an overwhelming lack of self-awareness. The rest of you can try to communicate with this twit – I’m outta here. Life is just too short.

Apparently, so is your attention span (guess it and the impressive vocab are a matched set). You give up easily!

Lulu chimed in: Well I’m not doing it – I’m a little concerned that teh st00pid is catching.

I think you’re actually a carrier – it’s spelled “the.”

Last word on this:
(wanna bet?)
I don’t know any one who is pro-abortion, they’re pro-choice. Can you see the fundamental difference?

If you are in favor of abortions occurring, why do you object to being called proabort? What’s inaccurate and/or offensive about the term?

What am I saying?

(Don’t you know, either?)

Of course you can’t. Thanks for coming out “antichoicemama”, it’s been tiresome.

No, just disappointing, since you won’t engage in actual debate, preferring name-calling and ridicule. Oh well, maybe someone else will step up. Haven’t heard from “E in MD” for an hour or two …

E in MD said...

try googling incidents of pro-choice violence. In addition to the actual abortions, I mean.

How about you do your own homework?

I challenge you, E from MD, to read David C. Reardon’s book, Aborted Women – Silent No More.

I have no interest in reading your anti-choice propaganda. You obviously haven't the slightest idea what the pro-choice position is nor are you interested in learning it. Why should I give money to your cause?

If you can keep your intense anger and hatred under control, perhaps listening to an actual aborted mother who wishes she’d chosen life for her child would open your mind.

My 'intense hatred and anger' stems from the thousands of people who will neither meet me, nor feed me nor clothe me, nor give me water when I am thirsty trying to control my choices and the choices of others to meet their own agenda. That is what my 'intense hatred and anger' is all about.

Look for weeds, you’ll find ‘em. Look for flowers, and everything’s coming up roses.

Wow.. that's deep. Maybe you should write greeting cards for all the children you're not protesting the deaths of.


Think you can handle it, E?
By Blogger prolifemama, at 12:08 PM


Think you can kiss my ass you condescending prat?

Instead of spewing inflammatory rhetoric, why don’t you pick out your favorite pet peeve, and we’ll discuss. Up to it, E?

By Blogger prolifemama, at 12:13 PM


See above. You claim to want to save the babies. I say again, where are all the pro-life protests for the children who are homeless and starving in the US and Canada? Where are all the protests for the children like Deamonte Driver who died because public assistance put him on a waiting list for over a year for an $80 dental procedure that would have saved his life?

Funny how you're still up on that high horse, but you don't have an answer for that. You're no better than all the animal activists who only want to save the cute animals.

If you are in favor of abortions occurring, why do you object to being called proabort? What’s inaccurate and/or offensive about the term?

Now who is deliberately being obtuse? Do you also fail to understand why those of African descent might take offense if you call them 'darkies'?

We are in favor of people making up their own minds what to do with their bodies and chunks thereof. Do you wingnuts honestly think that those who support the fundamental right to make your own decisions are off having abortion parties every weekend?

No, just disappointing, since you won’t engage in actual debate

I fail to see what there is TO debate. You believe that nobody should have an abortion ever, under any circumstances. Correct? I believe that it's not your damned place to make that decision for anyone. Ever. Those are two diametrically opposed ideas that are both based in opinion, not fact. There is no objective reality to reveal. You're not going to sway me with your propaganda, lies, half truths and misrepresentations. I'm not going to stay you with the opinion that what sits in another woman's womb is none of your business.

My problem with the right wing ( and I would imagine this sentiment is rather common amongst pro-choice people ), especially the anti-choice crowd is that I'm tired of being lied to, manipulated, preached to and condemned because I do not meet nor feel the need to meet your expectations for me. I don't know you and I don't care to know you. So why should i care what you think let alone seek to live my life by what you want for me. I see the choice/no-choice phenomena as the same thing. Pro-Choice want to make sure that everybody gets to make their own decisions. Pro-Lifers want to make sure that they get to make decisions for everybody. I have a very basic problem with that and that's not gonna change.

CC said...

antichoicemama blithers (emphasis added):

"I challenge you, E from MD, to read David C. Reardon’s book, Aborted Women – Silent No More. If you can keep your intense anger and hatred under control, perhaps listening to an actual aborted mother who wishes she’d chosen life for her child would open your mind."

If I were you, ACM, I wouldn't hold up as a poster child for your cause someone who had the freedom to make a choice and simply regrets the one she made. That's what freedom of choice is all about. I trust you can appreciate the irony.

Chimera said...

PLM at 3:36 PM said: "Lulu chimed in: Well I’m not doing it – I’m a little concerned that teh st00pid is catching.

I think you’re actually a carrier – it’s spelled 'the.'"



No. It's not. You obviously don't get the context, PLM, or understand the reference. Lulu has it correct -- it's "teh."

Nor, from your show of ignorance and narrow view of things, do you get the context and reference of the word "choice." But that's okay; for people like you, there is actually hope -- there are ESL and adult literacy classes all over the country! And some of them are very reasonably priced. I suggest you enrol in one without delay. The next conversation you interrupt might be even further over your head than this one!