Tuesday, December 30, 2008

Let me help you with that one, Jonathan.

Blogging Tory Jonathan Strong tries desperately to puzzle this one out:

What Does Disproportionate Mean?

A common argument is made among left-leaning media, politicians, and academics that Israel’s response to Hamas’ terror is “disproportionate” and that “no military solution” exists to the problem of Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Oooooh, oooooh ... pick me, Jonathan, pick me (emphasis tail-waggingly added):

So far, a reported 375 Palestinians have been killed and upwards of 1,400 injured in the densely-populated area, while four Israelis have died.

375 to four. Is that "disproportionate" enough for you, Jonathan? No, really, does that answer your question?

You're welcome.


Anonymous said...

Don't you know that people in Gaza don't really count as people if we are to believe the likes of Jason Cherniak and all the other Israel apologists...

Heck there are even suggestions on how to answer the critics...

KEvron said...

"Is that "disproportionate" enough for you, Jonathan?"

shlemazl has kindly answered for the both of them.

christ, shlem's a miserable fuck. i'm gonna have to rekindle my acquaintanceship with him....


KEvron said...

"Heck there are even suggestions on how to answer the critics"

"Since when is war a mathematical equation?"

since at least sun tzu's times.

"Would a British citizen complain that 'too few' British soldiers are being killed in Iraq?"

oh, for fucksake. oh, for fucksake.


and i stopped there. i had to.


Unknown said...

375 to four. Is that "disproportionate" enough for you, Jonathan?

I suspect that Johnathan's answer would be "Fuck, no!" I seriously doubt that even a 9,999,999,999:1 ratio would be proportionate enough for him. After all, the only good Palestinian is a dead Palestinian in the eyes of the Israel hawks. Just check out Israelly Cool's fap-fest if you need proof.

And while we're at it, let's nip this talking point in the bud:

You mean to say that “one of the most powerful armies in the world” has been bombing Gaza for days, deploying massive air power, dropping hundreds of bombs, and ultimately killing a grand total of 50 civilians or so in the “most crowded place on earth?”

This coming from a government that is not above jiggering the numbers to only count women and children as "civilians" (and even then, only on very stringent conditions). Because to the Meir Kahane fan club, also known as the Israeli government, the only good Muslim is a dead Muslim.

Strong Conservative said...

Well when 300 of the dead are admitted to be members of Hamas, and I'll blame Hamas for the 50-75 other casualties since they like to launch their rockets from residential areas and close to schools, I'd say Israel has been more than cautious.

If you were living in Sderot and had been the recipient of several thousand katyusha rockets, I think you'd have a different perspective.

CC said...

Jonathan makes a rather surprising claim:

"If you were living in Sderot and had been the recipient of several thousand katyusha rockets ..."

Excuse me? "Several thousand" Katyusha rockets targeted Sderot alone? Really? I don't suppose you have a reliable reference for that, do you, Jonathan? Or are you (as usual) pulling numbers out of your ass?

Feel free to leave a link, Jonathan. I'd sure like to see some verification for that claim.

Strong Conservative said...

CC: Totally fair, "From 2001 through May 2008, Hamas launched more than 3,000 Qassam rockets and 2,500 mortar attacks against Israeli targets."


I know Fox News isn't a favourite site around here, but I couldn't find a NY Times piece. Apologies.

Despite our differences of opinion, happy New Years Cynic.

Frank Frink said...

Supporting link (whether it's Fox News or anyone else) is not quite the same thing as stating--
"If you were living in Sderot and had been the recipient of several thousand katyusha rockets ..." -- now is it, Jonathan>?

You would also be awfully hard pressed to find anyone here who would deny that rockets and mortar have been launched at Israeli targets, but I thought the topic here was 'disproportionate response'. Maybe it's just me.