Wednesday, December 17, 2008

It would be embarrassing, if Adam had any shame.


Via JJ@UOH, we learn that Lord Palpatine Dick Cheney is really all about the torture after all. This will undoubtedly come as an awkward revelation to Blogging Tory Adam Daifallah, who will now have to audition someone else for his he-man, stand-up, straight-talkin' "tell it like it is" stud muffin right-wing idol.

I hear Stephen Harper is available.

14 comments:

jj said...

"Lord Palpatine" -- BWAHAHAHAHA! Outstanding.

Josef said...

No, Adam has Josef.

Josef said...

Adam also has Wayne, Tasha, and PMSH.

liberal supporter said...

Josef, I have a question:

Will Tasha agree that if appointed to the Senate, she will decline the salary and pension? She is only required to actually attend once every two sessions to maintain her seat. It would be reasonable to cover that expense and that expense alone. But accepting money for this appointment to a body she is opposed to would be wrong. It should be no trouble declining the pay and pension, and continuing her real job, if the sole objective is to keep the seat from being filled by some future PM.

Josef, you know her. Ask her. Will Senator Tasha decline the salary and pension? It would be the proper thing to do.

Will you ask her, Josef?

Josef said...

Obviously not.
And if I did, I would let her make that annoucement.
It's called propriety. Propriety of me as a fan and of her as a rising star professional & public servant & likely caucus member. For the below-average & horny people here: It would be like Tasha flashing her private parts on TV if she told me that and I aired it.

liberal supporter said...

Funny how we've come full circle. A post about Tasha being a welfare wingnut attracted a comment from CWTF that could be construed by some as sexist. Then you show up to defend her honour. Now we see you giving comparisons which cast her as a porn star and you as the producer. Ironic indeed.


As to my question for you to pass on: That's fine if she wants to make the announcement, in fact that would be great.

But it sounds like you won't ask her. I have no idea why that is. Why would that be? It is certainly not obvious to me. If you actually are an acquaintance or friend of hers, you would be able to. And if you cared about her ambitions, you would want her to know, so she won't be blindsided in some press conference.

So you should ask her. Bear in mind that sooner or later, this question will come up. Sooner or later, it will be suggested that all the CPC appointees should forego the pay and pension since they are not true Senators, but mere seat occupiers.

Bear in mind, PMSH miscalculated when he thought he could impoverish all opposition via the $1.95 fiasco. They spun as hard as they could, to make it stick that the opposition cares only for the money. But they failed. Now with the Senate appointments, we have a charge of wanting to be piggies at the trough, and PMSH cannot even defend that the Senate has a useful function and they are compensated appropriately. His premise is that it is a giant pork barrel, though with some power so he needs to stack it when he can. But he opens himself to much more effective charges of caring only for the money. Look at the alleged feeding frenzy of people putting in their bids for these seats! Appointing people who agree to decline the pay and agree to step down if Senate reform comes to pass, would make it a winner. And Steve really really needs a win right now.

But if you think The Tash can just bluster her way into the Senate, go for it. If you are her husband, you would naturally want her to get the job for life, and Harper's credibility be damned.

Josef said...

liberal supporter;

I thought about asking the question, but I don't think it's my role to do that. The Fraser Institute's Montreal office phone # as is Tasha's e-mail is listed on their website, you ask.

Frankly, I know her well enough she would demurr and either put forward with your idea of forgoing pay very privately & discreetly w/ PMSH's office or cross that bridge upon arrival.

Also I don't take cues from people like you, okay? You're using me and you & I know it - see last sentence of first paragraph. Man up and place the call or send the e-mail.

Oh and why the hell do you want Stephen Harper and the Conservatives to pocket $10 million in taxdollars? Or if you demand they turn it back on principle, why should they unilaterally disarm?

liberal supporter said...

Frankly, I know her well enough she would demurr and either put forward with your idea of forgoing pay very privately & discreetly w/ PMSH's office or cross that bridge upon arrival.
In other words, she'll hope it doesn't come up. Therefore, according to you, she would not care about the principle involved, only the optics. Not surprising.

It's not surprising because it is just like that far right "think tank" you referred to that still has its hand out for government money due to its "charitable" status. Not that I have a problem with the charitable status, just the hypocrisy of claiming everyone else is a leech on the government and somehow your "think tank" is not.


Also I don't take cues from people like you, okay?
You already have, chum. I told you that you should contact her, and you now say you thought about it.


You're using me and you & I know it
No I'm not. I am just treating you like a name-dropping concern troll. Which is what you appear to be.

You show up here, trash talking like some professional wrestling promoter, telling us in so many words to bow down before "The Tash". Sheesh! Is that like "The Fonz"? If so, kindly apologize to Mr. Winkler.

So I posed a "concern" type question back to you. You are now trying to wriggle out of that, since you don't really know her very well, do you?


- see last sentence of first paragraph. Man up and place the call or send the e-mail.
"Man up". Wow, are you for real? Are you sure you aren't a parody troll? It's not a matter of "manning up" bonehead.

I see no reason for me to contact "The Tash". But you claimed to know her, so I asked you to present her a simple question. One that an actual friend might want her to know about so she can be prepared.

Now we see you spluttering and spinning, since you don't really know her.

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!



Oh and why the hell do you want Stephen Harper and the Conservatives to pocket $10 million in taxdollars?
I want the faux Senators to decline the payment. It doesn't go to the CPC, it goes back to general revenue and effectively reduces the tax we all would otherwise pay. Compared to the budget the amount is small for the government. But it wouldn't go to the CPC.

Or if you demand they turn it back on principle, why should they unilaterally disarm?
Oh please. You forgot to mention "Taliban Jack" who supposedly wants to unilaterally disarm too.

We're not talking about military strategy, though I agree PMSH is at war with every one of Canada's institutions.

They shouldn't decline the money on my principle, because I think the Senate is a useful part of our system. They should decline it on their own principles, assuming they have any. If their claim is that they want to keep the evil lefties out of the seats, they simply want to occupy them to prevent that. Fair enough. Why should they expect to be paid for just holding seats?

If instead, they believe the Senate is a useful part of the system, that would be different, and PMSH has every right to appoint people who would make good Senators. Ideologues who don't believe the Senate is a useful part of our system should not be appointed then. So "The Tash" would not qualify.

And that is what this is really about. Unprincipled hooligans wanting to poison the Senate as they have the Commons. Paving the way for paralysis so the PMO can run everything. That is the real coup danger. The Harper junta.

Josef said...

#1. I know Tasha very well and I know she is reading this blog, because I told her about it.

#2. I am not going to take the chance of a leak. I am too well known (at least to me) for leaking stuff. I am also a believer that character is what you do when no one is looking.

#3. Charitable status does not mean accepting gov't assistance. It only means a tax deduction for donors, not a government handout. Big difference. Churches, think tanks, Salvation Army, Red Cross, et al all have and use this - no matter the government of the day.

#4. You are just an airhead. Seriously. If you had balls, you'd write at least a letter to the editor of the Montreal Gazette - all you have to do is give your real name, your address and phone # to letters -AT- thegazette -DOT- canwest -DOT- com and put the question out in the open. Or you could send one to the National Post... If you had conviction, you'd ask Tasha the question instead of using me - a friend and helper to The Tash's cause - to do your dirty work for you. Man up.

#5. While on the subject of principles, you really think Tasha Kheiriddin who has given many years of faithful service to the Conservative movement is just going to mark time or is she going to carry the torch of Thatcher? Other PMSH appointees may do as you say, but not Tasha. I know her well enough to know that won't happen - she does a lot of work to help conservatives worldwide, some of which is only for the strong of heart.

But if you don't believe me, ask her the question(s) or stop already. Gosh, you're fun.

liberal supporter said...

#1. I know Tasha very well and I know she is reading this blog, because I told her about it.
Well that's good. That means she knows of this question. The fact she does not answer is revealing. The fact she doesn't come here herself is even more revealing. Mainly it reveals you probably don't know her very well. Attending the same conference, being in the same room does not translate to "knowing very well".

But if it turns out you do know her, then she knows of the question.

#2. I am not going to take the chance of a leak. I am too well known (at least to me) for leaking stuff.
And they tease me for being all "cloak and dagger" talk at times. Hahaha!

I am also a believer that character is what you do when no one is looking.
Yes, we are seeing that. We're seeing, based on your words, that "The Tash" will just take the cash for sitting in a body she believes is useless, especially if nobody asks about it.

#3. Charitable status does not mean accepting gov't assistance. It only means a tax deduction for donors, not a government handout. Big difference. Churches, think tanks, Salvation Army, Red Cross, et al all have and use this - no matter the government of the day.
Little difference. Your donors pay less tax because of the deduction, which the rest of us have to make up. That is effectively a government handout. Unlike most handouts, where the government determines the size of the handout, your handout is only limited by how many donations you can raise.

I support such things as charitable deductions, but you are being hypocritical to claim to be against government handouts, when your charitable status amounts to one.

#4. You are just an airhead. Seriously. If you had balls, you'd write at least a letter to the editor of the Montreal Gazette - all you have to do is give your real name, your address and phone # to letters -AT- thegazette -DOT- canwest -DOT- com and put the question out in the open. Or you could send one to the National Post... If you had conviction, you'd ask Tasha the question instead of using me - a friend and helper to The Tash's cause - to do your dirty work for you. Man up.
Oh come on. Back to the sexist talk again. My balls are in question? I'm supposed to "Man up"? I wonder if that kind of talk ever works on anyone. Maybe for insecure types like yourself?

No. You've now revealed what you are really after. You want me to reveal my real identity. Why would that be, "Josef"? Or should I say "Patrick"? Or maybe you are "Richard"? Hmmm?

Now, I have even less need to write a letter to a media outlet or to "The Tash". The question now is out in the open, right here. Either you are telling the truth that you know "The Tash" and that she is reading it here, which means she knows about the question. Or you are lying and just being a name dropping concern troll.

I think your objective was to get "support" for "The Tash" and her cash grab by trying to get a demonstration of the evil lefties going ballistic over the possibility. Instead, you have received only mockery and derision.

Plus, you have created a situation where "The Tash" cannot really be a candidate for a Senate appointment unless she is willing to decline the pay and pension. She can't say she offered herself as a potential Senator and never considered the idea that it would be more proper to decline the money. She can't say that because she read the idea here.

Unless, of course, you are full of baloney and she has no idea this conversation is going on.

If I was "The Tash" and had hired you as my publicist for my Senate bid, after your performance here, I'd fire you. You've just made things worse.

#5. While on the subject of principles, you really think Tasha Kheiriddin who has given many years of faithful service to the Conservative movement is just going to mark time or is she going to carry the torch of Thatcher?
I expect her to carry the torch of Thatcher. So she should continue doing the valuable service she is doing now for the Conservative movement. Blocking some leftist from a Senate seat only involves showing up in Ottawa for every Speech from the Throne. A couple of expense paid visits to Ottawa a year. The rest of the time she should continue doing what she is doing now, since it is obviously so much more valuable that what she would do sitting in the Senate all the time.

But I think she's just another hypocritical right winger "It's ok for me but not for thee" type. If that was the case, she would then mark time sitting in the Senate earning the big bucks and big pension. Maybe she wants to be set for life, instead of waiting to be thrown under the bus some day, like her philosophy calls for.

Other PMSH appointees may do as you say, but not Tasha. I know her well enough to know that won't happen - she does a lot of work to help conservatives worldwide, some of which is only for the strong of heart.
So collecting the Senate pay and pension, even though you believe the Senate is useless, is work that is only for the strong of heart? Bunk. You don't need to be strong of heart, you just need to be a hypocrite.


But if you don't believe me, ask her the question(s) or stop already.
I'll do neither. You stepped into this. She now knows that declining the money would be the right thing to do, given the principles she claims to have. I think she'll bluster and spin and take it anyway. But she won't be able to play dumb and act like it went to far before she realized, thanks to you.

Gosh, you're fun.
You're fun too. I don't know if "The Tash" will think so though. You tried to whip up support for her Senate bid, and instead you have torpedoed it.

Hahahahahahaha!

Josef said...

"The Tash" will just take the cash for sitting in a body she believes is useless, especially if nobody asks about it.

You don't know that. For all history knows, by Monday she'll decline and stay at her battlestation. Or w/in a month she'll be packing a pocket hard drive from the Fraser Institute full of proposed leglslation. You are just assuming she will sit pat like a welfare wingnut Senator because you can't see your political opponent through any other frame of reference.

The rest of what you say is along those lines, respectfully. The fact you will not ask the question shows your lack of guts. The fact Tasha is making up her own mind shows her independence. To her and me, you are just some spokeshole. To you, I am probably the same.

Josef said...

Oh and...

"At the Winnipeg convention in 1996, PCYF President Tasha Kheiriddin circulated the 'Tory Top Ten', a list of policies which included a 10% personal income tax cut. The PCYF were successful in having this measure adopted by the party, thus making it the first federal political party to call for income tax cuts."
SOURCE

It's been on Wikipedia for a while.

Senator Tasha Kheirddin = Senator Policy Wonk

liberal supporter said...

You don't know that.
Of course I don't. As I said, it was based on YOUR words. And I still don't believe you know her.

For all history knows, by Monday she'll decline and stay at her battlestation.
That would be the honourable thing to do.

Or w/in a month she'll be packing a pocket hard drive from the Fraser Institute full of proposed leglslation.
That is the whole problem most people have with Harper's appointments. He wants to poison the Senate by appointing people who know nothing about it. For example, the Senate does not typically introduce legislation. On the other hand, despite being all up to the minute with a pocket hard drive, "The Tash", according to you, will show up and try to set her own agenda, instead of trying to be an actual Senator.

You are just assuming she will sit pat like a welfare wingnut Senator because you can't see your political opponent through any other frame of reference.
No, I am expecting she will decline to sit in a body she does not believe in. Or, if she accepts in order to block a seat from lefties, I expect she will decline the pay and pension.

Stop trying to project your own inability to understand others on me. It is YOUR political view that the Senators are just sitting doing nothing, and it appears Harper intends to make appointments to reflect that view, thus trying to poison the Senate. Being consistent with that view would require not accepting payment for occupying the seats.

The rest of what you say is along those lines, respectfully.
You mean you can't refute any other parts either.

The fact you will not ask the question shows your lack of guts.
Still with the macho talk eh? Sorry, Richard, you won't be able to find me and send your goons that easily.

Besides, I HAVE asked the question, you have admitted "The Tash" would have read it, so why the gratutitous insults? Oh right so you can pretend you didn't hear.

The fact Tasha is making up her own mind shows her independence.
That was never questioned. What was questioned is whether she would take the pay and pension, going against everything she stands for in order to collect some money.

To her and me, you are just some spokeshole.
No, I am a private citizen ridiculing some publicist who has the skill and finesse of a wrestling promoter.

To you, I am probably the same.
No, you are just a bad publicist.

Senator Tasha Kheirddin = Senator Policy Wonk
Suddenly the Senate is a useful body for policy and lawmaking? After all the trash talk from your people?

Hahahahahahahahahahaha!

PS, the Senate still cannot initiate money bills, such as a personal income tax cut.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Josef said...

Tasha didn't make the Senate. Rumor has it she declined.