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I was literally banned from the Canada Reddit - a place that is regularly swarmed lately by far right, cpc fans and NP articles by Brian Lilley - for pointing out this latest hypocrisy. I simply said that while the liberals are stupid here, at least they’ve taken the matter somewhat seriously and apologized and the person responsible has resigned. What has the cpc done about their own Nazi problem? Why weren’t these same online posters outraged then like they are now? I was banned for “Nazi apologism” after what I can only assume was due to the extremely angry and unhinged comments I was getting from the people there.
When one party has no standards for themselves, but impossible standards for “others”, that is literally a key component of fascism. Why so many keep falling for this kind of dishonest, bad faith BS is shocking and depressing to me.
Convoy supporters have been saying that their swastikas were meant to describe Trudeau's pandemic policies as fascist. The new meme is that Trudeau smeared the "Truckers" as fascist and then went on to applaud an actual one.
This is interesting on so many levels. That Trudeau is being blamed for provincial policies as well as his own. That right-wingers accuse leftists of tossing the word "fascist" around so frequently that it's become meaningless. That many COVID-deniers are proven racists and fascists yet they (or their fellow COVID-deniers) refuse to own up to this. Also, that Trudeau's Liberals and everyone else who has bought into the NATO propganda bullshit continues to deny the easily proven reality that we HAVE funded, armed and trained present-day Ukrainian Banderite nazis in a cynical scheme to weaken Russia through Ukraine at a cost of almost 500,000 Ukrainian lives and tens of thousands of Russian lives in only two years of fighting.
I'm a whole lot less worried about a 98 year old man who signed up on the losing side of a fight in his 20s than I am about the rise of actual fascists who are demonizing minorities in the population for political gain.
Fascists that are seemingly aligned with the CPC ... so ...
thwap, are you seriously trying to argue that Russia invaded Ukraine in a Machiavellian scheme to make itself weaker? Get real.
Yeah, Ukraine has a Nazi problem but so does Canada, along with our India problem, our China problem, our US problem, etc. Immigrant country attracts problems, news at 6.
ValJ
ValJ,
????
No. I'm saying that the USA and its NATO allies funded, armed and trained Ukrainian nazis, provoked Russia into invading Ukraine, because they [the USA & NATO] hoped to weaken Russia.
To deny this, you would have to insist on so many stupid things that I can't be bothered to list them all. The simple fact that we're giving weapons to Ukrainian nazis is all you need to know to tell you who the baddies are in this story.
Thwap - that's a lot like a rapist's defense. "Your honour, it's her fault, she provoked me into it."
At the end of the day, Putin invaded a sovereign state and is waging war to occupy and, ultimately, assimilate their territory.
Anonymous,
Thank you for the lesson in morality. Now explain Biden's and NATO's support for Ukrainian nazis.
Anyone who supports COVID lockdowns will of course honour Nazism.
thwap, you think all the Ukrainians are Nazis? That seems highly unlikely as they tend not to vote for the far right.
Are Biden and NATO supporting only Ukrainian nazis or the whole country which has been invaded for no good reason? I mean, I highly doubt that NATO provoked Putin into anything, he's just a murderous asshole who wants to assimilate Ukraine.
Then there are all the fascists and neo-Nazis Putin has supported in Russia and elsewhere.
https://theconversation.com/putins-fascists-the-russian-states-long-history-of-cultivating-homegrown-neo-nazis-178535
ValJ
ValJ,
When did I ever say that ALL Ukrainians are nazis? I'll answer for you: I NEVER said that.
I'm going to engage with you here because you are expressing the same childish, deluded brainwashed propaganda lie that has led to Ukraine suffering 10X the deaths that so traumatized the USA's society in the decade of their Vietnam War. As well, your smug delusion is shared by so many others in North America who are cheering on a project that could conceivably result in a nuclear war between Russia and NATO.
In your reply you said this: "Are Biden and NATO supporting only Ukrainian nazis or the whole country which has been invaded for no good reason?"
So, there you admit that Biden and NATO have supported nazis. But you try to portray this as the inadvertent result of a desperate attempt to assist the entire Ukraine from Putin's "unprovoked" [the term repeatedly used by Washington propagandists] invasion. (Similar to your "invaded for no good reason.")
But your claim is false. The USA's support for Ukrainian nazis was direct and crucial for the coup that overthrew the Yanukovych government.
"However, occasionally, the inconvenient truth has slipped through. For instance, shortly after the February coup, the BBC described how the neo-Nazis spearheaded the violent seizure of government buildings to drive Yanukovych from power and were then rewarded with four ministries in the regime that was cobbled together in the coup’s aftermath."
I'll leave it there for this comment. Sometimes there are limits on how much you can type in a blogger comment window.
Thwap, you linked a rabble rousing article from Dec 2021 that says:
"And now there’s the curious case of Russia’s alleged “invasion” of Ukraine, another alarmist claim trumpeted by the Kiev regime and echoed by NATO hardliners and the MSM."
You know there was a real invasion a few months later which is still going on. Tanks, bombs and all that. Civilians getting killed.
Your source doesn't appear all that credible.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/consortium-news/
ValJ
ValJ,
Sigh. The issue that I originally brought up was NATO's present-day support of Ukrainian nazis. To whit; If it was a mistake to applaud a guy who fought for the nazis in WW2, why is it okay to support nazis in the 2020's?
As for your latest attempt to change the subject: You say my source isn't credible because they thought the imminent invasion claims were alarmist. Besides the fact that it references the BBC and the New York Times to back-up its case for the nazi presence in the Maidan coup (which is the subject at hand here), I'll tell you another source that discounted a Russian invasion: Volodymyr Zelensky!
"Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said Tuesday he believes 'there will be no war' with Russia, but cautioned that Ukraine will be prepared should Russian military aggression against his country escalate further." ... Feb. 22nd, 2022.
Will you finally, at long last, cease and desist in your stupidity and look at this issue without your insufferable, delusional sense of moral superiority???
Thwap, I think you'd be more at home on the platform once known as Twitter.
"Prof Marples said that while far-right extremism still exists in Ukraine, it is much smaller than what Russian propaganda tries to make people believe.
"And Ukrainian elected officials are not tied to any far-right group in the country."
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66914756
ValJ
So . . . if I say something hasn't happened in January, and then it happens in August, that means I've lost all credibility? I don't think that's how the arrow of time works.
I think it's safe to say that Nazis have some influence to this day in the Ukrainian government, and that a certain softer fascism has a good deal of influence, to the point of making a pro-Nazi, highly racist fascist the official national hero, with holidays and statues and celebrations and stuff. But they're certainly not the only, or even for most purposes the dominant, current in the Ukrainian government. On the other hand, their willingness and ability to use violence has gained them a certain veto power on policy matters they consider core issues, which is relevant because they've been determinedly against peace with the Donbass ever since those guys rebelled.
As to the war itself, plenty of blame to go around. One can, at one and the same time, say that Russia ultimately bears the responsibility for choosing to go to war, while at the same time noting that this was an outcome NATO was trying for, and certainly that NATO and the US contemptuously ignored all proposals for negotiation to avoid war. It's like, if you spend years grabbing a little kid in class' arm and whacking him in the face with his own hand while saying "Stop hitting yourself" and generally tormenting him, and when he complains saying "what are you gonna do about it, wimp?" and then one day he gets a kitchen knife and shanks you, well, the kid shouldn't have stabbed you with a knife, but he did not do it for no reason.
So, in the case of Ukraine, some of the very top scholars in international relations, such as John Mearsheimer, as well as quite a few prominent diplomats, had pointed out in no uncertain terms that the prospect of Ukraine entering NATO would be quite likely to start a war, because Russia considered that a core, existential security issue. So when Russia complained about this prospect and NATO and the US repeatedly refused to negotiate about it, that kind of made war more likely. And it probably didn't help on that front when Russia twice brokered peace deals between Ukraine and the Donbass intended to result in the Donbass continuing to be part of Ukraine but with some autonomy so they could keep on speaking Russian, only to find that neither Ukraine nor their NATO backers had ever had any intention of honouring either of the deals, but were using them solely to gain time to beef up the Ukrainian army. We know this is the case, because top figures in NATO and Germany have openly said so. And it seems fairly clear that Russia's security fears have some justification, both historically (not so long since they lost millions of people after an invasion through Ukraine) and currently, since NATO policies really do seem aimed at attempting to weaken or ideally dismember Russia, and bringing Ukraine into the NATO fold really does seem to have been an objective in the service of that.
So it's stupid to say Russia had no reason to go to war--they had reasons that were such that numerous top people in the know predicted that Russia would feel it had little option but to do so, and that this would be the general position of the Russian power elites, not something embarked on because of Putin's personality. And indeed, one thing we do know about Russia is that there is near consensus on the subject of the war--the only real disagreement is that there are many who think the war effort should have been more total from the beginning. Putin might have actually had trouble staying in power had he failed to attack, after the repeated rebuffing of his diplomatic overtures.
All that said, I don't approve of invasions. So it would have been better if the Russians didn't invade, despite all the provocations. But--
But--I will say that the Russians had a better reason for their invasion than the US has had for any of the half dozen or so invasions it staged over the past 30-50 years. Come to that, probably a better reason than the US has had for any of its invasions back to its founding. So if, say, Pakistan or Eritrea want to condemn the invasion, then fine, but I don't think the US and its core allies really have a leg to stand on. You can't say Russia is beyond the pale and Putin is a madman for Ukraine, but the US and (Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Vietnam) is just sort of indiscretions and the relevant presidents just good old boys who made minor mistakes. If one is a villain for one invasion, the other is more of a villain for multiple invasions. Or if the US is not a villain for multiple invasions, then gonna have to find some other reason for Russia being a villain because invading people apparently doesn't do it.
I find it hard to credit the picture of NATO poking Russia like Tony Stark poking Bruce Bannon hoping he would turn into a green monster. Is NATO really that irresponsible?
There may be a general consensus in Russia for a war to regain territory they feel should belong to them whether the current inhabitants agree or not, but that looks like a consensus manufactured by the state. Here's a fascinating long thread about some popular culture in Russia the past twenty years or so:
https://nitter.net/AlexUsherHESA/status/1707594746892276056#m
https://nitter.net/sumlenny/status/1707407873603428717#m
ValJ
Of course at the public level it's a consensus manufactured by the state. Just like the US consensus on all their wars. This is hardly unusual. The point is, there is ELITE consensus in Russia, and has been since the end of Yeltsin and to some extent even during, that Ukraine in NATO is, as an ambassador to Russia put it quite a few years back, "the reddest of red lines", an existential threat. No matter what government is or was formed in Russia, pretty much everyone in charge of it would have agreed about that.
As to whether NATO really is that irresponsible . . . you haven't been following the foreign policy of NATO/US that much, have you? I mean come on, the Americans are currently part way through a process of trying to goad China into a hot war over Taiwan. How irresponsible can you bloody get?!
Thwap: “Of course I disapprove of rape in a GENERAL sense. But when a girls CHOOSES to dress like that…”
Ukraine fears invasion by Russia, the country that once occupied it.
Russia invades the Crimea. Promises not to invade any more.
Russia invades again.
Russia’s not really doing much to demonstrate its respect for Ukrainian sovereignty, not to reduce Ukraine’s interest in a military alliance for its own defense.
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