Saturday, October 18, 2008

Dear stupid Blogging Tories: About "Joe the Plumber" ...

A number of the typically premature ejaculatory BTs have recently seized on the story of one "Joe the Plumber," whose televised confrontation of Barack Obama as to how Obama's tax cuts would affect Joe was immediately spread far and wide throughout the Dumbass-o-sphere as proof of how those tax cuts would hurt poor, hard-working folks like Joe.

Joe the Plumber told Sen. Barack Obama that he might buy a business worth $280,000, but is afraid higher taxes will cut into his dream, CBS News correspondent Wyatt Andrews reports.

Sen. John McCain then used Joe's story to claim Obama will raise taxes for millions of small business owners.

"And what you want to do to Joe the Plumber and millions more like him is have their taxes increased," McCain said during Wednesdays third and final presidential debate.

And then there's reality (emphasis leg-humpingly added):

The fact is, millions will not be hit by a tax hike. An estimated 335,000 small business owners - just 2 percent of the total - would be impacted by Obama's tax increases.

According to the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, Obama's tax hikes apply only when personal income, not the value of the business, rises above $250,000.

"What goes on your income tax form is your profit, not your gross receipts," said Eric Toder of the Tax Policy Center.

But wait ... it gets sooooo much better:

So today, Joe, who said he makes much less than $250,000, reluctantly admitted Obama would lower his taxes.

"I would, if you believe him, I would be receiving his tax cuts," Wurzelbacher said.

And, oh, yeah:

But Joe's anti-tax leanings are also playing out in his personal life. It turns out - he's behind on state taxes.

So the man whose personal story steered a Presidential debate over taxes owes some $1,200 in back taxes, according to the state of Ohio.

Heh. Indeed. Thanks for coming, Joe. Stupid Blogging Tories. Stupid, stupid Blogging Tories.

BONUS TRACK: Just for shits and giggles, make sure you appreciate how Joe lies during that initial confrontation. As you can see from the first few seconds of the video here, Joe initially claims (emphasis added), "I'm getting ready to buy a company that makes about $250,000 ... $270-280,000 a year."

No, it doesn't. As Joe later clarified, the company he was thinking of buying was worth that much, which means that it would typically make considerably less per year. And, as you can read above, Joe has admitted that he currently makes far less than $250,000 per year. In short, Joe spewed total bullshit during that first encounter in order to provoke a confrontation. So he totally deserves the shellacking he's getting at the moment.


The Seer said...

I hate to throw cold water on you guys, but if a small business is worth $280,000, the annual "free & clear" is going to be $53,000 (i. e., 20% of the value).

sooey said...

So? Without any infrastructure we'd just throw our shit out the window. Then what would Joe do for a living?

CC said...

I'm confused, seer ... what's your point?

The Seer said...

A business that is "worth" $280,000 will not produce income of $280,000 a year; the value of a small business is, roughly, five times annual income. Joe is living in a fantasy world if he thinks he is going to have to pay more in taxes under Obama's plan.

Obama's proposed tax plan will tax income; not net worth. The rate on income in excess of $250,000 a year will be higher than the rate on income below $250,000 a year.

If Joe buys a plumbing business that is worth $280,000, there is no way Obama's tax plan is going to raise his income taxes. Actually, Obama's plan would lower his taxes.

Dwain Jeworski said...

Doesn't excuse the democrats attack on a guy Barry picked out of the crowd.
The plumber really has them worried as he exposed the plan to move the US heavily towards socialism..

CC said...


Please stop being such a pathetic, right-wing toady. Joe was never "picked out of the crowd." Rather, Joe explicitly approached and confronted Obama, as you can read and see here.

In addition, Joe lies about his expected income right off the bat, in order to manufacture the controversy.

The rest of your whining is similarly irrelevant.

CC said...


I'm not sure why you pointed that out, as I already said as much in the post. But thanks for confirming what I and many others have been pointing out -- that Joe was dishonestly presenting himself as someone who would be hurt by Obama's tax cuts when he wasn't even remotely close to that.

sooey said...

Isn't Joe just a whiny pathetic slut, in any case?

LuLu said...


Two words, you false-equivalence-humping mouthbreather -- Graeme Frost.

We're done here.

Red Tory said...

I had a lot of fun with "Joe the Plumber" the other day as all the facts about him unfolded. You should check it out.

Actually, if you watch the extended interview with him, it's hilarious. They guy is a real kook. He registered with the Natural Law Party at one point in time. Doesn't believe in paying taxes, hates social security, etc., etc.

Ti-Guy said...

Did you know that I'm not even following any of this Joe the Plumber crap? As soon as I discovered he was lying, that was end of it.

Mike said...

Gee Republicans and Conservatives are lying sacks of shit?

Colour me surprised...

Ted said...