Tuesday, April 10, 2007

About that civility thing ...


The Rev. gets his swerve on. I'm fairly sure I'm going to have more to say about this in the near future.

4 comments:

Ti-Guy said...

That's good post from the Rev. There is, however, a point that needs to be made; people have divergent philosophical/moral/religious approaches to life that are mutually exclusive; where no agreement is possible. I'm all for being open to hearing what people believe and what evidence they have to support their beliefs, but at some point, there isn't much else to be said.

There is a liberal tendency that is a downside to being empathetic and open-minded; to actually believe that someone else's views must have merit; not for the other person, but for the liberal him- or herself.

I don't hold that view. I have my own sense of right and wrong and there's no value for me to actually come to believe someone's divergent belief is also right. I can be familiar with it, understand how it developed, understand by what real-world evidence it's supported, agree that it is legally defensible, but I'm never motivated to by the desire to view it as right. If someone sees the need to change my views, they have to persuade me with compelling evidence and reason.

The need to see other people's beliefs as right is how liberals have developed a reputation for being incoherent and morally equivocating. It's how "former liberals" got sucked into believing and behaving in ways that didn't suit them, which then created the backlash that turned them into neo-cons, with the resultant psychological damage plain for everyone to see.

JimBobby said...

Whooee! I reckon there's common ground between even the hardliners.

Right-wing hardliners love their kids an' grandkids an' want what best fer their country an' fer mankind. They ain't some sorta droolin' sub-species. Right-wing hardliners go to hockey games an' cheer the hometeam. They eat Sunday dinners with their families. They go to jobs they hate an' pay taxes they resent payin'.

Same goes fer left-wing hardliners.

When we fail to see the human behind the rhetoric, we're lookin' through a filter an' filterin' our perceptions can only lead to a poorer level of understandin'.

When I fret over the future of the world my little garndson's gonna grow up in, I'm also concerned about the world the right-wingers' grandkids are gonna grow up in. If I work fer a safer, greener future, the right-wingers' grandkids are gonna benefit an' that's a good thing an' I don't begrudge 'em any.

Polyticks is just people convincin' people. Some people think it's better to try convincin' with nasty rhetoric an' vitriol. I figger it's better to give people credit fer bein' haffway reasonable an' then try to convince 'em with reason.

If that don't work, I sometimes offer 'em a JimBobby-flavoured knuckle samwitch.

JB

Rev.Paperboy said...

I agree with Ti-Guy that some belief systems are mutually exclusive. But that doesn't mean we can't peacefully coexist with people who believe radically different things as long as both sides exercise a little tolerance. Just because I think my neighbour is a gibbering cretin doesn't mean I need to keep yelling "You're a gibbering cretin" over a loudspeaker everyday, provided he leaves me alone and just stays inside gibbering cretinously to himself and others like him.
Now, if he were to start trampling my rosebushes in the process of his cretinous cavorting and started to gibber over a massive public address system in the middle of the night, naturally I'd have to kick his ass, in a purely civil way of course.

Rev.Paperboy said...

And what the hell does "getting my swerve on" mean? Sorry, I've been out of the country for ten years, I'm not up on the lingo anymore.