Sunday, May 17, 2009

*Sigh*.


Dear Shlemazl: You really are a total douche, aren't you?

78 comments:

Dr.Dawg said...

What a dishonest prick. Sorry, no other word comes to mind.

Well, not true. But I won't use them here.

But I do think Marky got a rough ride, and I really don't understand why. He's inoffensive enough, just trying to find middle ground, not always successfully. To suggest that he is "artdecco" or shlemiel is nutz.

Obviously the topic of the ME interests him. I've had some good discussions. We don't always agree, but so what?

He's no blind Israel-apologist--plenty of those I could name. MM doesn't, for example, run around calling us all anti-Semites. Give the guy a break.

sooey said...

No, Dawg. It isn't nuts. It's more than likely. And he's not inoffensive - he's insidious.

You don't mind him because he doles out flattery to you in heaping helpings, that's all.

Dr.Dawg said...

Flattery really doesn't do much for me, sooey. I'm too old for that ploy, and can always see it coming. :)

sooey said...

I suggest you get your eyes checked.

Dharma Satya said...

sooey, Dr. Dawg has a good point here. MM was willing to engage in discussion, in debate and was not interested in simply "tarring with the same brush".

Perhaps you might want to examine whether or not your idea of discussion/debate is to speak only with those who agree with you completely on every single issue.

...because if it is: Those words do not mean what you think they mean.

sooey said...

You're wrong about Marky Mark and you're wrong about me. In fact, I have much more in common with Marky Mark on Israel than I do with Dr. Dawg or CC. This isn't about Israel. It's about an insidious little weasel who IS simply interested in "tarring with the same brush". He's a nut with a million sock puppets and I've called him out. That's all.

Dharma Satya said...

Okay, if I'm wrong, I'll freely admit it, but I have no evidence, only your say-so.

Can you provide some direct links to comments where this sock puppetry has occurred? Do you have IP logs to show it's a sock? Is there any information other than your own testimony on the matter that you can present to me?

Again, if I'm wrong about this, I'll gladly apologize for asking you a question which you feel was either unfair or unwarranted.

sooey said...

Gee, you're not another one of Marky Mark's sock puppets are you, Dharma Satya?

But no, I'm not providing proof - I don't have any. I simply believe Marky Mark to be arthurdecco and shlemazl. I'm not asking you to believe it - I believe it.

Dr.Dawg said...

We are all Marky Mark.

sooey said...

Yeah, I think you're kind of an asshole, too, but - whatever. I'm feeling pretty confident today in my Internettery.

Dharma Satya said...

Then sooey, you will get no apology from me as you are not deserving of one.

You're basically saying that you do not need to provide evidence to back up your claims.

Sounds an awful lot like a creationist...or an idiot.

sooey said...

Well, Dharma Satya, you ignorant slut, I accept your apology anyway.

Ti-Guy said...

I myself am 84 different users over at FreeDominion.

It started off as a lark, but then it became, well...like a drug!

sooey said...

I thought those 84 different users were that guy from the Canadian Human Rights Commission.

Zorpheous said...

Oh jebus, the evilness of sockeypupperty

Will it never end

Marky Mark said...

Holy unsubstantiated character assassination-I don't use sock puppets! I used another name on the first blog I posted on three years ago and have used this name ever since. And given that my post link to my blog with photos, it's a pretty thinly veiled internet name as these things go.

sooey is so confident that I am every person who posts an Internet comment she doesn't like that years ago when one of her fans was going at it with her on her blog, she referred to that person by my name.

sooey said...

It's not the sockeypupperty so much as the McCarthyism.

sooey said...

No wait. It's the sockeypupperty, too.

Marky Mark said...

OK, move the goalposts again--but what McCarthyism?

Oh never mind.

Marky Mark said...

ah, sooey is now moving into her "don't take me seriously--I'm unimportant and it's all a joke so don't listen to what I say-I'm being victimized by mean people" mode.

Dharma Satya said...

Marky Mark: Ahh well, I wouldn't worry too much about it, if I were you. It only took one discussion with sooey before I figured out that they're not much more than a paranoid nut-job with no idea how to interact with actual human beings.

...I mean, who else but nut-jobs, ultra-right-wingers and creationists rely on "Because I said so, you poopy-head!" as a valid argument to support their position?

...Then again, I could just be another sock puppet. Heh.

KEvron said...

is this where i'm supposed to call someone a dirty jew boy?

KEvron

KEvron said...

i'm with sooey; something about markey is murky.

guess i'll go read what 'nazl wrote....

KEvron

KEvron said...

lol!

"They call him tenderly 'dirty Jew boy'."

"tenderly"!

KEvron

Ti-Guy said...

I think both Shlemiel and MM are enjoying this way more than the rest of us are.

...well, maybe KEvron too.

KEvron said...

oh, yeah.

KEvron

Marky Mark said...

What a ridiculous way for supposedly sensible people to spend even part of a long weekend.

And it's not like anything we say here in the West will have any impact on real suffering being experienced by humans in the region we post about.

KEvron, I'm pissed about this and I'm not really feeling the love to defend you, but FWIW the record is pretty clear that I was the one who stated you meant to type "Jew boy" when you typed "fraud." And I take your later comment to mean that if I'm going to accuse you of that motive I might as well throw in the word "dirty."

So there is no fair reading of our exchange where it's reasonable to conclude that it was you rather than I who introduced that theme.

I don't take back MY comment though.

There is no rational reason (nor has sooey offered one) to support the charge that I have created arthurdecco to embarass people. It is a lie pure and simple. But let's go with the lie for a bit. If I am arthurdeccoi, that means she is saying that I put up posts that all reasonable agree clearly are Judeophobic, complete with links to hate sites. She admits she has no proof (nor could there be any, as arthurdecco and I are not the same person).

Frankly the claim is not only a moral smear but a libel.

But most of all, in the context of a serious discussion that people put their hearts into, and where reasearch is being done (see DD's post re: Engage last night and a link to the academic paper that was included), it is an irresponsible, uneducated and foolish attempt which at its heart is based on only one assumption. That assumption must be that it is an impossibilty that in the context of good faith criticism of Israeli policy, someone (arthurdecco) could show up who really does go to sleep reading a copy of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

The idea that an arthurdecco simply cannot exist but must (I repeat, MUST) be a ruse by a crafty cheating weasal rightwing Zionist--well that actually is far worse and more depressing than anything arthurdecco has ever written.

And no, I'm not enjoying it at all.

KEvron said...

i'm starting to regret ever having called you "jew boy" in the first place, you fucking fraud.

KEvron

KEvron said...

"The idea that an arthurdecco simply cannot exist but must (I repeat, MUST) be a ruse by a crafty cheating weasal rightwing Zionist"

no, there have never been agents provocateur. never been any ratfucking. makes one wonder why they bothered to create the words....

KEvron

Marky Mark said...

Well do feel free to explain the fraud. Perhaps you'll do a better job than sooey did.

Speaking of arthurdecco and sooey, if she thought I was he why on earth did she allow him to post on her site when she had banned me? I know he obsequiously and unctuously commented on the humour and the writing and all that, but still, if we're the same guy.....

Marky Mark said...

Yes KEvron, but she has a blog where he and I both posted--she knows we're not the same person as does any other blogger who has taken comments from both of us. We have different IP addresses.

KEvron said...

"Well do feel free to explain the fraud."

i alreay did, on that very same thread; you said you were going to exit the discussion because flaming was an offense to your delicate constitution, then you hung around all day and flamed.

when you mistook it to mean something else, well, that was just gravy.

KEvron

KEvron said...

"We have different IP addresses."

how do you know?

hey, before you can pretend you didn't see this: what was nazl's point that i proved to you, and how did i prove it? i dare you....

KEvron

Dharma Satya said...

So, Kevron, it's fine to accuse without any evidence whatsoever?
Do you actually expect intelligent, rational people to swallow whatever hogwash sooey throws out there?

You see, in the real world, where real people live it goes like this:

A claim is made that others doubt. It is up to the person making said claim to provide evidence to support the claim. The evidence is then examined and a conclusion is reached.

You see, this is how rational people go about their daily lives. The way you're expecting this to work, you might as well claim that the tooth fairy told you he's a sockpuppet of the "arthurdecco" person.



..and for the record, I'm enjoying the HECK out of this.

KEvron said...

"So, Kevron, it's fine to accuse without any evidence whatsoever?"

abso-fucking-luetly. welcome to the internets.

KEvron

Zorpheous said...

Marky Mark, Sooey, ArtDecco,... yadda yadda yadda

For once I really don't know what this cat fight is about,... and I really don't fucking care

Are any of these sock puppets made of tube socks?

Mean while Neo is on the verge of sugeesting we should be beating prisoners in our systems on a daily basis,... you know, just to make prison an unplesant place

KEvron said...

"you might as well claim that the tooth fairy told you he's a sockpuppet of the "arthurdecco" person."

he did, but i could tell he was lying.

starting to smell like sibil's hamper up in here....

KEvron

KEvron said...

"I really don't know what this cat fight is about,... and I really don't fucking care"let me start off by expaining that they started it....

KEvron

Dharma Satya said...

abso-fucking-luetly. welcome to the internets.
Ahhh... yes. The desperate-to-do-anything-to-prevent-having-to-admit-to-acting-like-an-illogical-asshat defense.

Really, I expected better from you.

....I'm not mad, though. Just very, very disappointed.

KEvron said...

"Just very, very disappointed."last thing i'd ever want to do is disappoint.... who the fuck are you again?

KEvron

Marky Mark said...

good grief--not being disciplined enough to carry through an intention is hardly fraud. I suppose everyone who swears they will only eat celery all day and ends up eating donuts is guilty of fraud too.

There is only one way I could prove she is lying and that would be to "out" arthurdecco. Ain't gonna happen.

In any event you two have made the accusation so the burden is on you to prove the truth of what you're saying. If it is true (which it isn't) it should be easy to prove within minutes.

I am signing off now. I will no doubt read what other comments may follow here but any further eaction will be on my terms on my turf. It will be viewed by the irrational and malign as insidious, but it will be truthful.

P.S.

1. I know arthrdecco's address and mine are different because obviously I know I'm not arthurdecco---oh, and also some other bloggers have included all their commenters' IP addresses with their comments. His and mine.

2. I now see your "dare" to me--I'm still going to bed-you think I feel like reading over 100 comments to figure it out again?! If I feel like answering coherently, it will be at another time. The less than coherent gist though is that I've commented in some places for years, and I'll accept Dawg's description of me as reasonably accurate--so when someone (YOU) reacts to me as a newcomer to you with complete hostility for my initial comments (that I stand by), and you're prepared to accept sooey's ridiculous theory offered with no facts to suport it, that hostilty presents to me as "what's a Zionist doing where he doesn't belong?" The fact that you continue to insist that I'm a provocateur only perpetuates this smear.

It truly is a malicious malign smear.

Congratulations though--now every time some homophobic, racist intolerant fool posts hateful comments at a site you don't like, someone there will say those commenters must really be provocateurs from the Left trying to embarass them.

KEvron said...

"If I feel like answering coherently, it will be at another time."

i'd rather you felt like answering honestly, but i'm afriad my wiat would be indefinite.

goodnight, you fucking fraud, and thanks for "jew boy". didn't take much effort for me to expose you for your true self.

KEvron

KEvron said...

"that hostilty presents to me as 'what's a Zionist doing where he doesn't belong?'"

lol! nothing unreasonable about that!

you still want to vouch for this clown, dawg? hardly the voice of moderation in that sentence.

KEvron, wishing he'd never, ever said "jew boy"

Dharma Satya said...

.... who the fuck are you again?
All I can say to that is El. Oh. El.

I mean, since you just "know stuff"... shouldn't you know that?

KEvron said...

whatever, whoever. i read what sooey wrote, including the disclaimers. it's all there in ones and ohs. it's to be judged on its merits, and sooey has no obligation to retract.

socko stinks, and so do you, whoever. spare me the winks and nudges; i don't use them.

KEvron, perennially

KEvron said...

seriously, "jew boy" made my weekend. endless mileage.

KEvron

Dharma Satya said...

Kevron, I won't be bothering to censor myself for your benefit. As far as I'm concerned, you can just sit there and fucking take it, big boy...

*wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge*

Dr.Dawg said...

you still want to vouch for this clown, dawg? Well he is defending you over at schmuck's.

psa said...

you kids better just settle down, if i have to pull this internet over you're really gonna get it.

sooey said...

Divide and conquer.

But believing someone has 1402374104917092014 socket puppets is libel now? Gee, what do you call running around the internet calling people you-know-whatites?

By the way, I think you remember being outted - backwards.

Anyway, you used the "L" word so you win. Buh-bye.

Zorpheous said...

You guys had better listen to PSA, if CC has to stop this blog and take off his belt,... why his pants will fall down and we'll be in the land of Moralton

Marky Mark said...

Understood psa. I've summarized my thoughts in this post. People who acare are free to comment there but I'm not going to make this my day today.

KEvron said...

"*wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge*"

you showed me.

KEvron

KEvron said...

"he is defending you over at schmuck's"

against what? the insinuation he had made in the first place?

KEvron

sooey said...

Oh, he can keep it up for years, "more sinned against than sinning" yaddayaddablahblah.

But still, I agree with him on Israel - heck, I agree with Bernie Farber on Israel. And my fondest hope is that Bob Rae becomes Prime Minister so that I can go and work for him again. Just so we're clear, Internet. Marky Mark is all in his own words - not mine.

Too funny - I notice he took the opportunity to repost one of arthurdecco's you-know-whatic rants. He used to do that in my unmoderated comments section, too. I'd delete the link, he'd repost it, "you let arthurdecco post this link - see?" Then he'd take his show on the road to all the other blogs, whipping everybody - but mostly himself - up into a froth of anti-sooeyism.

I never actually clicked on the links - who knows - maybe they led to recipe sites and I missed a lot of handy kitchen tips.

Oh - and you go, grrl Dawg.

Zorpheous said...

For handy kitchen tips, try

http://www.recipezaar.com

Some good eats over there.

Dr.Dawg said...

Good recipe site here:

http://catertots.net/ingredients-2

sooey said...

Okay. I guess only crazy people win arguments on the Internet, anyway.

By the way, I notice Marky Mark AND Dr. Dawg upped the ante (ooh, but it ruined their day somethin' awful to have to do it) by selflessly blogging about all this.

So they can share the gold.

I'm NOT crazy so I'm officially out of here now. Again.

Marky Mark said...

I guess if you can't stand the heat you should get out of the kitchen. The back pedalling is exquisite.

Typical sooey MO: come in with guns blazing and malice, falsely accuse people of bad things without proof and then complain about being victimized.

Dr.Dawg said...

Try the "Doan Doan Piggy Chicken." To die for.

Paladiea said...

My kitten's name is mittens! She enjoys filet mingnon.

Ti-Guy said...

I notice Marky Mark AND Dr. Dawg upped the ante (ooh, but it ruined their day somethin' awful to have to do it) by selflessly blogging about all this.

So they can share the gold
.

Indeed. One wonders what people would do without the weirdness of the Internet. Perhaps ponder why this culture elevates so many cretins like this to positions of influence.

*sigh* I just don't what we're going to do with a lot of these boomers if they just don't start dying in greater numbers.

sooey said...

Cripes, it's like he lifted that column straight from SDA's comments section.

But I'm on the Left and I think we should stay in Afghanistan until we make an actual difference in the lives of women there.

Conscription might help get the boomer numbers down...

Ti-Guy said...

Conscription might help get the boomer numbers down...

I'm thinking more along the lines of creating conflicts that only the boomers would be obliged to engage in. You know, stir up things at all the places they hang out (social clubs, spas, resorts, shopping malls, golf courses, faculty clubs, investment seminars, condo boards) and have them go at each other.

We can't reasonably expect them to be conscripted into conventional military action. These people are only still walking around due the fact that they're marinating in medication. I characterise my parents as being brined.

I thought the economic crisis would do them in, but they're just using every policy lever at their disposal to re-inflate the disastrous economy we've had for the last several decades and hope it'll last another 10 years.

sooey said...

I've noticed they don't really retire anymore, either. They leave, only to come back to work on contract, making even more money than they did working full-time.

I hate them.

Dr.Dawg said...

Geeze, Lipitor and an indexed pension are keeping me afloat--hardly brining and levering.

wv= "wings"

Marky Mark said...

Now if you want to really get into controversy, check out this anti-statin (Lipitor)site.

Anarchore said...
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CC said...

No, Anarchore, you don't get to play. There really are some people who are too vile to put up with.

Sheena said...

Typical sooey MO: come in with guns blazing and malice, falsely accuse people of bad things without proof and then complain about being victimized.Well, she is a feminist.

Ti-Guy said...

Geeze, Lipitor and an indexed pension are keeping me afloat--hardly brining and levering.I said "a lot of the boomers." Not all of them, so don't think you're the subject of my genocidal, anti-boomer rant.

Jesus, that whole generation. Everything's always about them. :)

sooey said...

Phff, when it's not about that anti-femite, Sheena.

Dr.Dawg said...

You folks are keeping good company.

Ti-Guy said...

Yeah, yeah....

Go and scold Jay Currie for a while. He's behaving rather badly.

Dr.Dawg said...

When doesn't he? Tell me when he doesn't and I'll pay attention.

KEvron said...

it occurred to me today, ti-guy, how prophetic your ironic "identity politics" now seems. nazl's and markey's identities are assumed; they're affectations.

KEvron

Frank Frink said...

"She should have died hereafter;
There would have been a time for such a word.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day
To the last syllable of recorded time,
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing."
Pretty much spent the last three days completely off the innerdnets, but because I took those three days I won't tell you that you all, between this thread and the previous, that you owe me a couple hours. I know I'll never get it back anyway.

sooey said...

What does Canadian Cynic owe you when he blogs about the Blogging Tories?

But seriously, you'll thank me one day for my powers of deduction - as you burn in hell for all of eternity.