Onward and upward in our exciting little discussion on human rights and electric cattle prods. This isn't the conclusion by any means, but I thought there was one point worth expanding on. When it comes to fundamental rights, I like to think there are three different ways of looking at them: whether you "deserve" them, whether you're "entitled" to them and whether you actually "have" them. So what's the difference?
First, there's "deserving." This is the Utopian scenario -- in a perfect world, everyone "deserves" the right to, say, freedom of worship. This is a purely theoretical concept; it's what you'd be talking about if you were at the United Nations and trying to hammer out a framework of what basic rights everyone "ought to" have. Perfectly reasonable and just as perfectly theoretical, but it's a nice place to start.
At the next level, there are the rights you're "entitled" to because they've been formalized in some way in, perhaps, a founding document of some kind. That is, they're explicitly spelled out in something like the U.S. Constitution or Bill of Rights or Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. In short, they're not just a good idea, they're the law.
And, finally, there are the rights you actually have which, as we have already seen, are not necessarily the same ones you're entitled to, are they? That you're entitled to certain rights doesn't mean a whole lot if you're not allowed to exercise those rights, does it? And what does all of this have to do with the price of cattle prods in China? I'm glad you asked.
As one example, we've already seen the difference between being entitled to and actually having rights in the U.S. During the 2004 Republican National Convention, protestors who (quite reasonably) thought they had the right to freedom of speech and assembly and expression were nonetheless rounded up and dumped into fenced-in "free speech zones" or simply arrested. It didn't matter that they were "entitled" to those rights, as they simply weren't allowed to exercise them.
However, after the dust settled, several of these protestors went to court and sued for infringement of their rights and, just as reasonably, they won or, in other cases, had all charges against them dropped for a very simple reason -- they could point at the appropriate documentation to show that they were in fact entitled to do what they had been doing. In short, they had the law on their side which was all that mattered when things got to court. But that's most emphatically not what is happening in China.
When Christian missionaries are rounded up and arrested, they can't possibly make the argument that they're entitled to do what they've been doing because, quite simply, they're not. This situation is clearly not a parallel to the protestors in the U.S. because, the last time I looked, there is nothing in Chinese law that gives foreign missionaries the right to evangelize there.
If those missionaries end up in court in China, they can't point at any official documentation in Chinese law that gives them the right to preach on Chinese soil, period. Rather, at least based on my reading, Chinese law makes it very clear that that kind of proselytizing is not accepable. What this means, in a nutshell, is that those missionaries not only do not have the right to proselytize, they aren't even entitled to that right, so trying that argument in a Chinese courtroom would get them absolutely nowhere, and rightfully so. Simply put, these people were breaking Chinese law and they knew it.
As a last resort, these people can always argue that they "deserve" the right to evangelize and, if they want to make that argument, they're welcome to it, but don't confuse that argument with the one in which they're arguing that they're "entitled." You can argue all you want about what rights you "deserve" but, in the end, that argument doesn't carry a lot of weight in a repressive regime. Perhaps Clint Eastwood said it best:
Little Bill Daggett (Gene Hackman): I don't deserve this... to die like this...
Bill Munny (Clint Eastwood): Deserve's got nothin' to do with it.
Those Christian missionaries knew what they were doing, and they knew it was against the law. And as to whether they "deserve" the right to evangelize in China, well, life's tough but deserve's got nothing to do with it.
And, no, we're not quite done here yet.
6 comments:
"Those Christian missionaries knew what they were doing, and they knew it was against the law."
What ever happened to 'Give unto Caesar that which is Caesar's'? I suppose it is just too inconvenient to acknowledge.
It is childish/immature to go into someone's house (country) and break their rules. It is downright arrogant stupidity to complain when dealt with upon being caught at it. You have no right to do whatever comes into your little minds just because you imagine your god wants you to do it.
'bout time you religious folk grew up and took some responsibility for the bullshit you spread all over the place...... sick fucking bastards.
cmax, you talking about something else now?
The article mentioned below didn't have missionaries going into China, it had to do with *Chinese* Christians getting rounded up for practicing their faith.
jeffrey writes:
The article mentioned below didn't have missionaries going into China, it had to do with *Chinese* Christians getting rounded up for practicing their faith.
Whoa, I suggest you go back and read a bit more carefully. While that original article did talk about the generic idea of worshipping Chinese Christians, it also referred to the Texas-based "China Aid Association" whose mission statement you can read here.
I don't think there's much doubt that there's some foreign involvement here, do you, especially when that group publicly claims to be promoting "a better understanding of God's work inside China."
In any event, I doubt we're going to resolve all of this on a single blog.
This reminds me of the three missionaries in 2001 who were arrested for trying to spread christianity in Afghanistan. They purposefully went there to do so, pretending to be unaware that evangelizing is punishable by death in muslim countries. It's the exact same mindset.
Since they have been back home, the women involved have written a book and admitted to numerous interviewers that they knew going in that it was illegal, but did it anyway, violating the laws of the country they were supposed to be providing aid to.
Apparently this is the trend among christian missionaries, who seem to feel that their beliefs (and the conversion of others), are far more important than the laws of their host country:
http://media.www.thebatt.com/media/paper657/news/2002/09/10/Opinion/Heroes.Or.Religious.Fanatics-518498.shtml?sourcedomain=www.thebatt.com&MIIHost=media.collegepublisher.com
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/007939.php
http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2002/05/stealth.html
The chinese groups were going about it a bit differently, but the overall goal was the same; the spreading of christianity in a country where it is known to be not only unlawful, but punishable. Also, considering the trend toward violence within some of these groups, it is neither unusual nor unreasonable for the government to keep them under close watch.
A reasonable, rational human being understands that you can not, either overtly or covertly, go into another country and purposefully disregard their laws without suffering the repercussions of that disregard.
Just because you're christian and think you're on some kind of holy mission to 'save the savages', you can not put yourself and your 'mission' above the law of your host country.
I meant to post this yesterday, but my building's internet connection went down while i was typing it:
Was that before, or after, "Little Bill" Dagget shouted, "I was building a house!"
I thought that was a great movie.
CC, in the final analysis, I agree with you that having a right to free speech doesn't mean that you're going to get to utilize that right without any problems.
I suspect much of the dispute has to do with choice of words and the imagined meaning of words that were chosen.
I'd just like to restate something that I think others have also said only with different words:
Rights are a fiction. And the "inalienable" part that we add to the notion of "human rights" are an essential part of this fiction, if this fiction is to have any real value to us.
In the end, I personally believe that there should be freedom of speech and religion in China, even though I also think that religions are delusions.
Knowing that neither I, nor anyone else, truly has a "right" to life, freedom of speech, dignity, or anything, kinda detracts from my call for the Chinese government to respect these rights, nonetheless, we have to call for the respect for these rights everywhere.
On a final note: I think some of those people wanted to be martyrs. I also think there are some very totalitarian-minded evangelicals, who don't give two-shits about other people's freedom from censorship. But just like that Danish rightwing, bigotted newspaper, I can support their right to free speech while still deploring what use they make of it.
thwap asks:
Was that before, or after, "Little Bill" Dagget shouted, "I was building a house!"
Actually, he says that immediately after what I quoted, I just left it out and put in ellipses, so he actually says, "I don't deserve this... to die like this. I was building a house."
And, at that point, I'm pretty sure he wasn't shouting anymore. See some of the best quotes from that film here.
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