And over at The Prairie Wrangler, Olaf once again demonstrates that he's at least two notches too intelligent to hang out with the intellectual dwarves at the Blogging Tories, as he understands the issues involved in the recent "Johnny has two mommies ... and a daddy!" ruling.
Sadly, batshit-crazy Catholic loon "SUZANNE" drops by to dump a steaming turd of illogic in the comments section:
Where does it end? 5 parents? 10 parents? With serial pairing up and break up, the sky can be the limit.
How is that positive for the child?
The family is important to the state because that's where future citizens are born-- and should be born. You don't promote the social cohesion of a country where there is no expectation of a couple to stay together (i.e. TWO opposite-sexed people) to raise kids.
The family is the best place to learn about the outside world. If the kid's values are screwed up in the family, he has a big handicap when he heads out for the outside world.
Why, yes, SUZANNE -- perhaps we should take a lead from the Catholic Church and promote the inviolability of the God-sanctioned, nuclear, till-death-do-us-part, one-man, one-woman family, for which, as we all recall, divorce was pretty much a no-no. But, hey, who needs a divorce when you can just get an "annulment"?
Yes sir, when you've finally had enough of the old bag and want an out from your "as long as we both shall live" Catholic marriage, well, what could be more convenient than an annulment -- the loophole that keeps on giving. And the best part? The children are still legitimate! Is that great or what?
Apparently, your Catholic marriage can be considered a totally meaningless, inconsequential sham to be dissolved at the whim of the appropriate powers-that-be, but -- what a relief -- the kids are safe. ("Well, Johnny, it's like this. It turns out that, even after 13 years and four kids, Mommy and Daddy were never really 'married." But don't worry. You're not a 'bastard.' Not really, anyway. Those other kids are just being mean.")
And as for redefining the family, don't even get me started on adopting embryos.
BY THE WAY, SUZANNE ... speaking of what might or might not be "positive for the child," any thoughts on what it's like to be the offspring of vocal, anti-gay crusader and Christian evangelist Fred Phelps?
Mark Phelps remembers going to sleep one night convinced he was going to wake up in hell.
The date was Dec. 27, 1973, and he had just broken away from his family and his father's home and church. He loaded some of his possessions into his car and left.
"That night, I stayed at a stranger's house," he said. "I specifically remember that night when I lay in that bedroom in that bed and was going to sleep. I thought I was going to wake up in hell the next morning. That's how strongly I believed," he said. "My dad had told me since I was 10, 'If you ever leave the church, you're going to hell.' I so strongly believed that. I did not think I was going to wake up. That's what I thought was going to happen to me."
Mark Phelps, along with his brother Nate Phelps, both live in Orange County, Calif., a suburban area of Southern California halfway between Los Angeles and San Diego. The brothers own and operate a chain of print shops. They are both sorrowful about their upbringing and have cut off contact with their father and mother and the nine brothers and sisters who remain loyal to their father, the Rev. Fred W. Phelps Sr., pastor of Westboro Baptist Church in Topeka.
The brothers tell horror stories of life inside the Phelps house and Westboro Baptist Church.
Life in their father's house included what they described as savage beatings and violent outbursts.
"Basically, it was like being in a war zone where things were unpredictable and things were very violent," Mark Phelps said. "There was a person who was violent what did what he wanted to do, and that was hurt people or break things or throw a fit or whatever he wanted to do and that's what he did. We had to watch out for this madman."
Let's see ... a loving, gay couple versus a raving, violent Christian psychopath. Tough choice ... grapple, grapple ...
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The family is important to the state because that's where future citizens are born
Breeding for the state...
Now there's a cause I could really get behind.
Yes, but an annullment from the Catholic Church normally requires a donation to the church. The larger the donation, the easier it is to get said annullment.
Oh, come on, Mike, that's pretty cynical. Next thing, you'll be suggesting that they sell "indulgences" or something.
Oh, wait ...
"Until one day when the lady met this fellow, and they knew that it was much more than a bunch...that's the way we all became the Brady Bunch, the Brady Bunch, that's the way we all became the Brady Bunch..."
Where's the Christian outrage at this multi-parented all American Family. As far as I know, the girls with the hair of gold and the fellows with locks of dark brown had 4, count em 4, legal parents.
On second thought, make that 5 if you include Alice.
An annullment may end up costing you more than that in terms of emotional stress.
I was going to get one several years back so I could rejoin the catholic church (family pressure - they don't care much for my Pagan beliefs...go figure), and it turns out that you have to submit a request with the tribunal and await approval, then your ex is offered the option of attending the hearing with you to give his or her side of things.
I just couldn't stand the thought of reliving what was the worst hell of my life (as in, the ten years I was married to that abusive christian asshole) in front of a group of strangers then hearing him stand there and lie about it to that same group. Plus, it was going to cost me about $500 and my current husband would have to have his first marriage annulled. Otherwise I wouldn't be allowed to receive the sacraments. To a catholic, that's the same as being cut off from god.
After much thought and serious soul-searching I decided it simply wasn't worth going through all of that just to please my family.
An annullment is a long, complicated, painful process. Then there's the money thing...ouch.
What these nutjobs also ignore is that no one is going to be asking for 5, 10, 20 parents. It's like they think we homos have some sort of wild conspiracy to do the most outrageous things possible (we save those for pride parades, alas). It's like the polygamy thing--sure, there are a few nuts out there, but the fact a few nuts exist who might now demand polygamy be legalized isn't a reason to stop gay marriage. The fact that in a few instances, a child might end up with 3 parents (which, incidentally, given my divorced and remarried mom and Dad, I arguably already have) doesn't mean we're all going to go out and find our best 35 friends to marry and make co-parents.
But then reality's not been their forte.
I'd admire people like Olaf and Mike who can face the sheer banality of people like SUZANNE (she of the endless baseless or illogical assertions) with the amount of serenity they do.
I certainly can't. That overbearing, lying Catholic troll sets my teeth on edge.
bc waterboy - you mean "...much more than a hunch".
With the Brady's, at least they had an even number of parents (until you screwed it up and decided to count Alice!). Any arrangement with an even number of parents, and of course the same number of men as women (and paired together properly if you don't mind) is no doubt preferable to this recent and most unnatural anathema.
What I'd like to know is whether CC had insider knowledge of Pat Robertson's latest interview with God when he offered $50 to everyone who expected ur Lord Jesus Christ to return in 2007. Because if he knew God told Pat there were going to be terrorist attacks in 2007, CC would know Jesus wasn't coming back in 2007 and CC could pocket the everything he got in ruturn for the $50.
Crab Grass Asserts: "of course the same number of men as women (and paired together properly if you don't mind) is no doubt preferable to this recent and most unnatural anathema."
Oh? Preferable to what, that a child be left in an abusive environment rather than an arrangement (private, I might add, and nobody's business but the family involved) that surrounds a child with people who love him more than life itself? Get over yourself, homosexual couples exist, have existed for centuries and will continue to exist regardless of ranting and raving about what constitutes family values. This type of arrangement would be no different if an infertile heterosexual couple decided to make sperm/egg donor part of the child's life, not one god damn bit different. As far as your stupid comment about unnatural, you see, for a homosexual person, pairing with someone of the same sex is natural for them, pairing with the opposite sex is like asking a fish to live on land. But people continue to do this at the insistence of bigoted churches and a less than accepting society. Thankfully, our country is moving beyond that tired old bullshit and homosexuals are earning their proper place in society, which is equal to their heterosexual counterparts. The rest of the world will catch up...eventually.
Oh, from what I remember, Alice did most of the parenting while Mike worked and Carol looked at herself in the mirror, not unlike a lot of "traditional" families of today that people like Suzanne think are the ideal and everyone else is a piece of shit.
I pretty sure Crab Grass was being sarcastic.
So, CC, you believe that children born to unmarried parents are bastards? How terribly un-progressive of you!
Ti-guy, noted...
Sorry Crab
You got me, it looked so much like a Suzanne diatribe, I couldn't resist a little rant.
Sarcasm
1. harsh or bitter derision or irony
2. a sharply ironical taunt; sneering or cutting remark
Sarchasm
1. the gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the recipient who doesn't get it
2. see "hooligan"
Heh.
Hey, that's a very witty pun! Nice job, Scott. Between you and me, I did get his sarcasm, though. I guess my playful little sarcastic remark was too subtle. Heh.
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