tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post5234131249339480106..comments2024-03-28T03:54:21.932-04:00Comments on Canadian Cynic: Sometimes, this job is too easy.CChttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11406057201126015750noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-74610154270469247072008-05-26T15:56:00.000-04:002008-05-26T15:56:00.000-04:00And that, interestingly, even if you were, you sti...And that, interestingly, even if you were, you <I>still</I> would have nothing intelligent to say.Patrick Rosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04592482865332628189noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-53655886785148217482008-05-26T15:54:00.000-04:002008-05-26T15:54:00.000-04:00I know some people (hi, Frank!) aren't smart enoug...<I> I know some people (hi, Frank!) aren't smart enough to grasp that</I><BR/><BR/>Always nice to know I'm inside your head. ;-)Frank Frinkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05727863730658037306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-19148096285485448812008-05-26T15:29:00.000-04:002008-05-26T15:29:00.000-04:00"I find the individual person in question more imp..."<I>I find the individual person in question more important in the debate; Patrick finds the piece of paper he or she signed more sympathetic. But it shouldn't surprise anyone that the progressive view is about the people, and the conservative view is about the business. The implications are, as usual, depressing.</I>"<BR/><BR/>The point is, Matt, that <I>people</I> make <I>commitments</I>.<BR/><BR/>If the progressive view is really about <I>people</I> and really about -- as so many individual progressives insist -- about autonomy, then it also becomes necessary to hold people responsible for those commitments.<BR/><BR/>You cannot claim autonomy over anything you aren't responsible for. That's a very simple concept. I know some people (hi, Frank!) aren't smart enough to grasp that, but it <I>is</I> so whether they agree or not.<BR/><BR/>Now, seeing as I've noticed that Mr Bin actually possesses a good deal more intellectual courage than the standard commenter around these parts, I'm going to float out a test balloon here, and see how he responds:<BR/><BR/>It's actually my opinion that Canada should give long and hard consideration to allowing Iraq war resisters who have completed the tour of duty they commit to upon enlisting in the army and have been stop-lossed into another tour, to stay.<BR/><BR/>If they refuse to report for a second tour that they <I>did not agree to</I>, they face prosecution and jail time. In my personal opinion, that makes <I>these particular resisters</I> eligible refugees.<BR/><BR/>I think Canadian courts should treat a stop-loss in the same vein as conscription, and the precedent set a long time ago -- which was and remains the right decision -- is that unwilling conscripts may stay.<BR/><BR/>What say you, mr Bin? Do you view a stop-loss as akin to conscription?Patrick Rosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04592482865332628189noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-41266148260592446332008-05-26T14:18:00.000-04:002008-05-26T14:18:00.000-04:00And somehow I'm not surprised that you can't grasp...And somehow I'm not surprised that you can't grasp the subtle nuance of the Iraq war resisters you would have us shelter <I>voluntarily enlisting</I> in the military -- in some cases <I>after the war started</I> -- while the war resisters Canada sheltered during Vietnam being <I>conscripts</I>.<BR/><BR/>Matt Bin (aka "mr expert") sure doesn't seem to understand that distinction, which really just goes to show you that experience does <I>not</I> necessarily translate into expertise.Patrick Rosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04592482865332628189noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-52478057991680729662008-05-26T07:02:00.000-04:002008-05-26T07:02:00.000-04:00m@: the point is that Patrick frames his argument ...m@: the point is that Patrick frames his argument by saying that Matt doesn't know anything about the military and then goes on to express his opinion. <BR/><BR/>Thus who is making the argument becomes virtually all there is to talk about.Cameron Campbellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13457101409245763699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-74236899541155635602008-05-26T03:52:00.000-04:002008-05-26T03:52:00.000-04:00I think you left a few 0s out of your degree of di...I think you left a few 0s out of your degree of difficulty there, CC.Dana Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00890312745525306991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-13592366071499915742008-05-25T20:11:00.000-04:002008-05-25T20:11:00.000-04:00Frankly, Patrick's posts is one of his best ever (...Frankly, Patrick's posts is one of his best ever (though that's not saying much). His argument is clear, at least; if conscription is your litmus test for whether someone deserves to stay in Canada as a resister, well, so be it.<BR/><BR/>Personally, I find the individual person in question more important in the debate; Patrick finds the piece of paper he or she signed more sympathetic. But it shouldn't surprise anyone that the progressive view is about the people, and the conservative view is about the business. The implications are, as usual, depressing.M@https://www.blogger.com/profile/13408488215496128814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-47500612624550317482008-05-25T18:17:00.000-04:002008-05-25T18:17:00.000-04:00Mr. Ross' stupidity and cluelessness never cease t...Mr. Ross' stupidity and cluelessness never cease to amaze ...Real_PHV_Mentarchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03128624329790456529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-7330916734210163562008-05-25T17:29:00.000-04:002008-05-25T17:29:00.000-04:00I think I'm gonna turn SheenaVision into a militar...I think I'm gonna turn SheenaVision into a military blog. With my complexion I look fucking fantastic in khaki.Sheenahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11343974714241810943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-53500966882034215292008-05-25T16:23:00.000-04:002008-05-25T16:23:00.000-04:00It only counts if those G.I. Joes have "kung-fu gr...It only counts if those G.I. Joes have "kung-fu grip".<BR/><BR/>Although 'kung fu grip' might have a <A HREF="http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Kung+Fu+Grip" REL="nofollow">completely different purpose</A> in this context.Frank Frinkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05727863730658037306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-71602986681592630522008-05-25T15:45:00.000-04:002008-05-25T15:45:00.000-04:00Now CC ... I'm sure Teh Pantload has all kinds of ...Now CC ... I'm sure <I>Teh Pantload</I> has all kinds of G.I. Joe combat action figures still in <I><B>their original packaging !!111!!!!!!1</I></B><BR/><BR/>And if that doesn't make him a military scholar and/or expert, then I just don't know <I><B>what's</I></B> wrong with you.LuLuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03412312541969320536noreply@blogger.com