tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post2757274254892834729..comments2024-03-28T03:54:21.932-04:00Comments on Canadian Cynic: I’ll see your Stupid Parade …CChttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11406057201126015750noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-13048370599410836142008-11-07T23:04:00.000-05:002008-11-07T23:04:00.000-05:00you guys need to get a life, peter is an amazing p...you guys need to get a life, peter is an amazing person. i bet you all have opinions that no one agrees with either. get over it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-50830342305385322842008-02-16T13:44:00.000-05:002008-02-16T13:44:00.000-05:00PSA - I tend to think that you're overlooking the ...PSA - I tend to think that you're overlooking the psychology of the individual. Many men conflate the concepts of fertility and virility. Sexuality is exactly a weapon in a rapists mind, and you are literally threatening to take his gun away and load it with blanks. I believe that the idea will be far more terrifying to him than prison, which has a certain machismo around it.<BR/><BR/>That said, you have apparently studied criminal psychology in some depth, and I haven't, so it's possible my beliefs in this case are completely off base. If it would result in higher levels of violence, that's a very good reason not to do it.GroovyJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08030669628239879411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-86916912565078920272008-02-15T20:11:00.000-05:002008-02-15T20:11:00.000-05:00There is some debate about whether or not Holly Jo...There is some debate about whether or not Holly Jones' killer was a classic pedophile. Briere's claims of being fascinated with child pornography only came out after he was arrested and pleaded guilty. A true pedophile would've been able to complete the act since children are what gets them off. <BR/><BR/>And yes, Mike is completely right when he says it's about contol - especially when it comes to pedophiles.LuLuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03412312541969320536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-53283067662906291272008-02-15T19:56:00.000-05:002008-02-15T19:56:00.000-05:00but, back to 7:35....just a layman, myself, but th...but, back to 7:35....<BR/><BR/>just a layman, myself, but there are no blanket diagnoses for rape. the disorders that drive a pedophile and those which drive someone who targets adults probably aren't the same, and even within both groups, there are likely varying drives.<BR/><BR/>KEvronKEvronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16732621823124759996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-67942705257899468022008-02-15T19:47:00.000-05:002008-02-15T19:47:00.000-05:00So would you say this was acting out a sense of po...<I>So would you say this was acting out a sense of power and control? Or was it merely a horribly deviant sexual pedophile fantasy gone horribly wrong?</I><BR/><BR/>I couldn't begin to guess. There's something about sexual predation that's best left to the professionals.<BR/><BR/>What we, as citizens, have to decide, is what measures we enact to protect ourselves from all of this. And forced sterilisation seems far more like retribution and punitive justice than anything that will lead to the reduction of victims. Really..it feels barbaric...like capital punishment and torture.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-60111765295653682352008-02-15T19:42:00.000-05:002008-02-15T19:42:00.000-05:00ignore 7:35, ralph. i misinterpreted.KEvronignore 7:35, ralph. i misinterpreted.<BR/><BR/>KEvronKEvronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16732621823124759996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-6299910966621406792008-02-15T19:37:00.000-05:002008-02-15T19:37:00.000-05:00"How can a person at once oppose abortion, but sup...<I>"How can a person at once oppose abortion, but support sterilization."</I><BR/><BR/>by huffing....<BR/><BR/>KEvronKEvronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16732621823124759996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-30256479533231354952008-02-15T19:36:00.000-05:002008-02-15T19:36:00.000-05:00"How can a person at once oppose abortion, but sup..."How can a person at once oppose abortion, but support sterilization."<BR/><BR/>An aborted fetus can't work for you for minimum wage...<BR/><BR/>But remember folks, controlling your own body and having an abortion is a holocaust. Forcibly removing the sex functions of another person and controlling <I>their body</I> is just fine.<BR/><BR/>"So would you say this was acting out a sense of power and control? Or was it merely a horribly deviant sexual pedophile fantasy gone horribly wrong?"<BR/><BR/>I do have a Crim degree. The answer is yes, it was about power and control. If it was about sex, he would have raped her. Why did he fantasize about having sex with a child? Why did he visit child porn sites? Because children are easy to control and as an adult he has a natural control over them. Sex is the ultimate control. And yeah, he may be hard wired wrong, but that wiring is in his brain, not his nuts.<BR/><BR/>Sterilizing these guys won't stop the compulsion.<BR/><BR/>And what if you get a guy who is innocent?Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06941875334878452635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-68293550252825491982008-02-15T19:35:00.000-05:002008-02-15T19:35:00.000-05:00"So would you say this was acting out a sense of p...<I>"So would you say this was acting out a sense of power and control? Or was it merely a horribly deviant sexual pedophile fantasy gone horribly wrong?"</I><BR/><BR/>i'd say you're trying to diagnose a symptom as the cause, doc.<BR/><BR/>KEvronKEvronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16732621823124759996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-54313524882034352312008-02-15T18:54:00.000-05:002008-02-15T18:54:00.000-05:00Sex has very little to do with it - it is almost e...<I>Sex has very little to do with it - it is almost exclusively about power and control.</I><BR/><BR/>I don't know anything about criminology, but I recall the case of the Holly Jones murder a few years back. If you're not familiar with the case you can google it. Anyway, when the murderer confessed to the crime, he described a heavy child porn addiction in which he had fantasies of having sex with a child.<BR/><BR/>When he finally abducted Holly Jones, he described how he tried to rape her. But when it came to sex, he was unable to get aroused and could not do anything. He then strangled her and a few hours later her body parts were dumped in Lake Ontario.<BR/><BR/>So would you say this was acting out a sense of power and control? Or was it merely a horribly deviant sexual pedophile fantasy gone horribly wrong?Raphael Alexanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14635417096024081504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-15569155772731057412008-02-15T18:48:00.000-05:002008-02-15T18:48:00.000-05:00Further to PSA's point (I also studied criminology...Further to PSA's point (I also studied criminology), the majority of rapists don't even ejaculate. Sex has very little to do with it - it is almost exclusively about power and control.LuLuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03412312541969320536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-59038189794747807322008-02-15T18:38:00.000-05:002008-02-15T18:38:00.000-05:00awright. rape is a crime of violence. sexuality is...awright. rape is a crime of <I>violence</I>. sexuality is the <I>weapon</I>. it has nothing whatsoever to do with fertility. the loss of the potential to breed will have no deterrent effect on a rapist or a child molester. none. there is no interest or desire to procreate in a rape, the desire is to control, to humiliate and to do harm. go read some robert r. hazelwood and tug your head out of your butt groovyj. by the way, hazelwood is the founder of the fbi school on profiling violent criminals and sexual predators. i spent the better part of two semesters studying his work. it is a meticulous and deeply depressing examination of the darkest corners of the human psyche. these crimes are not about the sex act. the pleasure doesn't reside in the sex act. if anything, sexual dysfunction or impairment of sexual function would be displaced by even more violent assault.Lindsay Stewarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13461043718147845594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-7966906899644690502008-02-15T17:46:00.000-05:002008-02-15T17:46:00.000-05:00I would think that the substantial difference betw...<I>I would think that the substantial difference between someone who suffers a debilitating problem through no fault of their own and someone who violently imposes their sexuality upon another person against that person's will is pretty obvious.</I><BR/><BR/>You would think. But how do you <I>know</I> that?<BR/><BR/><I>I'm not sure what the relevance of children being molested by people they know is - does that make it better? If anything, it seems to make it worse!</I><BR/><BR/>The point I was trying to make is that forced sterilisation does nothing to address the issue of child molestation. It's a solution that doesn't address the problem, a big part of which is rooted in absence of community and children being unsupervised by adults.<BR/><BR/><I>Locking them away for good is fine, but people get out of jail - that's a fact. Locking someone up is always at the whim of future politicians, and of the security of the system.</I><BR/><BR/>Yeesh. Read more, talk less.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-43241880882111174792008-02-15T17:40:00.000-05:002008-02-15T17:40:00.000-05:00How can one oppose abortion, yet condone capital p...How can one oppose abortion, yet condone capital punishment?<BR/>And then, how can one not accept the actual science of global warming, and then hold up a book, written by men over the last 2000 or so years, reinterpreted, over and over again, and think its the werd of GOD.<BR/>Find any of that confuzzling, and you pretty much know how exasperated most of us on the left are with the RW on a daily basis.Palehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06791499814706254231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-31528984579609900482008-02-15T16:32:00.000-05:002008-02-15T16:32:00.000-05:00How can a person at once oppose abortion, but supp...How can a person at once oppose abortion, but support sterilization.Raphael Alexanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14635417096024081504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-25554106598134156632008-02-15T15:58:00.000-05:002008-02-15T15:58:00.000-05:00I would think that the substantial difference betw...I would think that the substantial difference between someone who suffers a debilitating problem through no fault of their own and someone who violently imposes their sexuality upon another person against that person's will is pretty obvious.<BR/><BR/>The answer to slippery slopes is simple - people must remain vigilant, pay attention, and object strenuously when things go too far. Not doing something reasonable now does nothing to prevent unreasonable actions in the future.<BR/><BR/>Abortion has been legal for some time, and no one is busting down doors and forcing abortions on criminals, dissenters, or the mentally handicapped, yet I bet when it was first legalized these kinds of slippery slope arguments were made against it. Pot smoking, was criminalized right along side more harmful drugs, no slippery slope needed.<BR/><BR/>I'm not sure what the relevance of children being molested by people they know is - does that make it better? If anything, it seems to make it worse!<BR/><BR/>Locking them away for good is fine, but people get out of jail - that's a fact. Locking someone up is always at the whim of future politicians, and of the security of the system.GroovyJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08030669628239879411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-46484756698833619962008-02-15T15:22:00.000-05:002008-02-15T15:22:00.000-05:00When it comes down to rapists and child molesters,...<I>When it comes down to rapists and child molesters, that's where I draw the line. Such people are perfectly happy to impose their sexual desires on others in a way which is ruinous to their long term wellbeing, and I have no problem with the idea of sterilizing them.</I><BR/><BR/>Most children are molested by people they know.<BR/><BR/>I'm all for declaring sexual predators dangerous offenders and locking them away for good, but there's a lot more involved in the problem of sexual aggression that won't be solved by forced sterilisation.<BR/><BR/>It's a non-starter.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-49269571209477202062008-02-15T14:55:00.000-05:002008-02-15T14:55:00.000-05:00Then where do you draw that line in the sand you'r...Then where do you draw that line in the sand you're talking about? And who gets to decide? And how do you stop people from deciding that since we're forcefully sterilizing rapists and child molesters then why not the mentally disabled? After all, it's not like they can be fully productive members of society. This is Pandora's Box you're talking about opening.LuLuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03412312541969320536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-24507862258220718372008-02-15T14:48:00.000-05:002008-02-15T14:48:00.000-05:00Slippery slope arguments are silly. Why not argue ...Slippery slope arguments are silly. Why not argue that having a police force is a slippery slope to having a police state? That withdrawing from Afghanistan is a slippery slope to being invaded by the Taliban? Drawing lines in the sand is something we do, a part of human nature.<BR/><BR/>At the moment, the world is overpopulated, and the consequences of that are going to kill a lot of people, and generate untold generations of misery. Reproduction should not be viewed as a right at all. But, I am willing to accept the argument that sterilizing people against their will is, in the main, too intrusive an imposition on peoples freedom to be acceptable.<BR/><BR/>When it comes down to rapists and child molesters, that's where I draw the line. Such people are perfectly happy to impose their sexual desires on others in a way which is ruinous to their long term wellbeing, and I have no problem with the idea of sterilizing them. It reduces the level of harm they are able to do to future victims, punishes their crime, and would likely serve as an effective deterrent. Yes, it's intrusive. So is rape, so is child molestation. These are extreme cases, and I think extreme punishment is called for in such cases.<BR/><BR/>Maybe I'm completely wrong - my lack of any personal desire to reproduce may be blinding me to the importance of that faculty - but I've seen only one real argument to that effect here (from ti-guy) - everyone else has gone for ad hominem attacks, people claiming "He holds this position, therefore he is stupid/evil/a jerk and I feel no need to engage with him." These are arguments on the level of Gene Ray.<BR/><BR/>Uncontrolled breeding has gotten the human race to its current state, a Malthusian peak that risks seeing our entire species destroyed. The fact that it is impossible even to have a reasoned debate on the subject of controlling this problem almost guarantees the worst possible results. But I'm not even talking about eugenics, or a one child policy, or any other such extreme measure. I'm talking about criminals whose crime DIRECTLY RELATES TO BREEDING being prevented from imposing one more horror on their victims. If I'm wrong in this, feel free to tell me why - I change my mind in the face of evidence on a regular basis. I never change it in the face of insults.GroovyJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08030669628239879411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-57129597540103257932008-02-15T14:31:00.000-05:002008-02-15T14:31:00.000-05:00He should be careful what he wishes for. I think h...He should be careful what he wishes for. I think he would be found below the cut line and quickly lose his balls. The original eugenics of the Social Credit party was largely based on (questionable) measurements of intelligence, or behavioural problems. Either way, he's on the list.Robert McBean.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03785114322799288514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-9007694126956139412008-02-15T14:24:00.000-05:002008-02-15T14:24:00.000-05:00Its like they're all fighting for Kinsella's colum...Its like they're all fighting for Kinsella's column space at the Post.bigcitylibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05081538803991095825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-78144872085693803382008-02-15T14:11:00.000-05:002008-02-15T14:11:00.000-05:00I'm somewhat torn in the idea of sterilizing peopl...<I>I'm somewhat torn in the idea of sterilizing people for being dumb, but it seems perfectly justified in the case of extreme criminality, and for rapists and other sexual criminals, it even seems mandated - such people almost inevitably re-offend if given the chance.</I><BR/><BR/>Slippery slope, GroovyJ. GroovyJ, slippery slope. <BR/><BR/>You're kidding, right? This is actually a satirical response to the absolute bugfuck craziness of Csillag's proposal, yes? Cause if not – well, let’s just say that I need a martini as big as my fucking head to wrap my brain around that.LuLuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03412312541969320536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-87115549863813009512008-02-15T14:09:00.000-05:002008-02-15T14:09:00.000-05:00the upside is that this nut case wouldn't pass the...the upside is that this nut case wouldn't pass the IQ test, English or not.900ft Jesushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01882830831096870992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-64220742191732639382008-02-15T14:04:00.000-05:002008-02-15T14:04:00.000-05:00But but but Jonah Goldberg said it's only Librul F...But but but Jonah Goldberg said it's only Librul Fascists who are into eugenics! I'm so confused.That guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12254412890551965391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-25428497637498366502008-02-15T13:45:00.000-05:002008-02-15T13:45:00.000-05:00Ah.This tequila ought to do the trick.Ah.<BR/><BR/>This tequila ought to do the trick.¢rÄbG®äŠŠhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16307684311454262849noreply@blogger.com