tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post5605172887690983998..comments2024-03-28T03:54:21.932-04:00Comments on Canadian Cynic: Beer! Popcorn! Lawyers!CChttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11406057201126015750noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-60763575001738489262010-05-20T15:15:36.546-04:002010-05-20T15:15:36.546-04:00Wait until Sara finds out the path through Fred Pe...Wait until Sara finds out the path through Fred Penner's log leads to a crackhouse.Frank Frinkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05727863730658037306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-86689179667668620442010-05-20T13:35:22.566-04:002010-05-20T13:35:22.566-04:00I didn't ignore it since I know that you are l...I didn't ignore it since I know that you are literate. I would use single quotation marks for a paraphrase.Holly Stickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01137842937086115228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-53088192612824610052010-05-20T05:17:31.818-04:002010-05-20T05:17:31.818-04:00"Where's Ardsy?"
I don't know b..."<i>Where's Ardsy?</i>"<br /><br />I don't know but given that he was pissing and moaning:<br /><br />"<i>please find me a quote or reference that says it is proper to use quotation marks when it isn't an actual quote.</i>"<br /><br />and I did exactly that with:<br /><br />"<i>... another convention when quoting text in the body of a paragraph or sentence—for example, in an essay—is to recognize double quotation marks as marking an exact quotation, and single quotation marks as marking a paraphrased quotation ...</i>"<br /><br />I'm going to guess that that's somehow not going to count because shut up.CChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11406057201126015750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-62821289332305247902010-05-19T21:13:48.364-04:002010-05-19T21:13:48.364-04:00Where's ArdsyWhere's <a href="http://thealbertaardvark.blogspot.com/2010/05/our-responsible-media-yobs-and-banning.html" rel="nofollow">Ardsy</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-60774421925746136372010-05-19T21:10:02.154-04:002010-05-19T21:10:02.154-04:00Ongoing even. So good!Ongoing even. So good!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-90645539458528685832010-05-19T20:16:14.289-04:002010-05-19T20:16:14.289-04:00fuck wiki: dramatica!
everything old is new again...fuck wiki: <a href="http://encyclopediadramatica.com/I_am_aware_of_all_internet_traditions" rel="nofollow">dramatica!</a><br /><br />everything old is new again....<br /><br />KEvronKEvronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16732621823124759996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-75596541644480604942010-05-19T19:47:34.611-04:002010-05-19T19:47:34.611-04:00shorter holly: "shorter what?"
KEvronshorter holly: "shorter <i>what</i>?"<br /><br />KEvronKEvronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16732621823124759996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-24624009965499646942010-05-19T19:45:22.489-04:002010-05-19T19:45:22.489-04:00By the way, Holly, I just popped over to that page...By the way, Holly, I just popped over to that page at Wikipedia, and I'm curious as to why you chose to ignore the following:<br /><br />"<i>However, another convention when quoting text in the body of a paragraph or sentence—for example, in an essay—is to recognize double quotation marks as marking an exact quotation, and single quotation marks as marking a paraphrased quotation ...</i>"<br /><br />Kind of lessens the impact of your comment, don't you think?CChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11406057201126015750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-12496248643766745602010-05-19T19:39:03.840-04:002010-05-19T19:39:03.840-04:00Sorry, Holly, no dice. If you read carefully, you...Sorry, Holly, no dice. If you read carefully, you'll notice that the prohibition against quotation marks for paraphrased speech holds <i>only</i> if you aren't making it clear that it's a paraphrase.<br /><br />If you <i>clearly</i> denote what you're writing as a paraphrase, quotation marks are perfectly acceptable.<br /><br />Read what you quoted again in that light, and you'll see what I mean.CChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11406057201126015750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-78213629871579779192010-05-19T18:44:54.181-04:002010-05-19T18:44:54.181-04:00Actually wiki doesn't agree with you, CC:
&qu...Actually wiki doesn't agree with you, CC:<br /><br />"...It is incorrect to use quotation marks for paraphrased speech. This is because a paraphrase is not a direct quote, and in the course of any composition, it is important to document when one is using a quotation versus when one is using a paraphrased idea..."<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quotation_markHolly Stickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01137842937086115228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-75326493287295032572010-05-19T18:33:46.147-04:002010-05-19T18:33:46.147-04:00CC:
"I'm just tired of trying to intelle...CC:<br /><br />"I'm just tired of trying to intellectually engage those who are hideously incapable of it."<br /><br />I hear that!!! I've more or less stopped bothering, my health simply isn't up for it anymore. Besides, I have you to rely on for making these wonderfully pointed observations for me, it is after all why yours is one of the blogs I check first whenever I am checking the blogs at all.<br /><br />As to your comment, it might have been more productive, but somehow going by past results I wouldn't have been willing to bet even a penny on it. There is a reason one of my personal favourite expressions is "Never underestimate the power of human stupidity."Scotianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06284856315992405261noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-1137652159381491992010-05-19T17:42:52.700-04:002010-05-19T17:42:52.700-04:00I commented that she must be kicking herself for n...I commented that she must be kicking herself for not having AdSense!liberal supporterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01129945625510633921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-32757357252765817802010-05-19T16:49:09.145-04:002010-05-19T16:49:09.145-04:00Scotian:
It probably would have been more product...Scotian:<br /><br />It probably would have been more productive if I had suggested Googling on the word "paraphrase," following what would probably have been the first hit to Wikipedia, then simply reading the first two paragraphs to see <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraphrase" rel="nofollow">what I was getting at</a>.<br /><br />I'm just tired of trying to intellectually engage those who are hideously incapable of it.CChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11406057201126015750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-7084353616489161642010-05-19T16:42:07.000-04:002010-05-19T16:42:07.000-04:00*SIGH*
Ardvark:
Read James Bow's comment i...*SIGH*<br /><br />Ardvark: <br /><br />Read James Bow's comment if you cannot be bothered to learn the Latin CC suggested, you are way out to lunch on this one.<br /><br />James Bow:<br /><br />Thank you for spelling it out in plain English, I suspect CC's Latin reference was more than the anteater was able to process.<br /><br />CC:<br /><br />You used Latin to explain something this basic? You had to know that wasn't going to work, but then given how much you enjoy pointing out the basic ignorance of the English language when used by the Blogging Tories crowd I suppose you might have been underscoring your point and inviting further displays of ignorance.<br /><br />General:<br /><br />I love the lawsuit threat, as already noted that in itself can be actionable, don't these people get that before you can bend/break the rules safely you first need to understand/know them first? I mean come on. As to the grammar police well the prior comments by CC, James Bow et al more than deal with that stupidity.<br /><br />Part of what makes dealing with so many if not most of the online CPC partisans so painful is their massive dishonesty not just in terms of politics and ideology but in their basic intellectual ability to use the English language the same way everyone else that actually paid attention in class was taught. I mean really, I don't expect everyone to be English teachers/professors, but is it too much to ask that they at least show they have basic high school level ability (although these days I am not so sure that means what it once used to) before they get on their high horses about such matters?<br /><br />BTers actually reading this thread:<br /><br />Come on people (online CPCers/Blogging Tories generalization, yes there are a few that this doesn't fit but only a few IMHO), it is no wonder CC has such a target rich environment so much of the time, and it would do wonders for your credibility outside of your inner circle of compatriots if you could argue in an intellectually consistent, honest, and accurate manner. Then you would only be wrong on grounds of good sense and judgment and not the more easily ridiculed aspects you are currently being mocked for. And who knows, you might even have a good point and even be correct about something once in a while and get noted for and engaged on it. Some of us would like to have a real opposition that actually can argue their POV in a reality connected manner, unlike so many of you in the BT sphere we like having differing points of views being engaged (as long as they are connected to reality that is), we find we get better results and better conclusions that way instead of feeling the need for empty ego stroking and acting as mouthpieces for a political leader/party. But then we are actually interested in matters of substance connected to reality and understand the importance of such.<br /><br />(Sorry CC, couldn't resist the additional snark, but this really does drive me wild, I really miss having honest political opposition that I could argue with and at the end of the day still see someone grounded in reality even when I sharply disagree with their ideas like I grew up with)Scotianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06284856315992405261noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-54214896940674323522010-05-19T16:25:27.452-04:002010-05-19T16:25:27.452-04:00"Who the hell even knows latin anymore?"...<i>"Who the hell even knows latin anymore?"</i><br /><br /><a href="http://www.google.com" rel="nofollow">they do.</a><br /><br />KEvronKEvronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16732621823124759996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-6659273670308196232010-05-19T16:16:30.361-04:002010-05-19T16:16:30.361-04:00There you go again, James, trying to engage the Wa...There you go again, James, trying to engage the Wanker-sphere with your facts and knowledge and expertise. Haven't I <i>told</i> you not to do that sort of thing?CChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11406057201126015750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-46694974609641276732010-05-19T16:09:41.917-04:002010-05-19T16:09:41.917-04:00Geez, an argument boils down to this level of peda...Geez, an argument boils down to this level of pedantry?<br /><br />Look, speaking as a professional writer, you use quotes to say that something is being said. It doesn't matter if it's a direct quote or a paraphrase, if you are writing a piece of dialogue that you are saying is coming from someone's mouth, either directly or in summary, you use quotes.<br /><br />The decision on whether or not something is a direct quote or a paraphrase comes in the context leading up to the quote. Such things would include "she said something like", or "can be paraphrased by saying", or even "such things would include".<br /><br />Quotes or not, the context makes it clear that this is a paraphrase, and not a direct quote. It's more than silly to try to hang Naomi on this point.James Bowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11888307747088266395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-28377762858306813792010-05-19T16:03:48.347-04:002010-05-19T16:03:48.347-04:00Who the hell even knows latin anymore?
CC--left le...Who the hell even knows latin anymore?<br />CC--left leaning progressive snark, opinion and latin lessons...Sparkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07537839430366306648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-34567953503731277052010-05-19T15:54:09.159-04:002010-05-19T15:54:09.159-04:00I see Ardvark still hasn't invested the time t...I see Ardvark still hasn't invested the time to figure out the phrase "<i>verbum dicendi</i>". I'm betting that never happens.CChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11406057201126015750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-80710998614831860452010-05-19T15:46:03.325-04:002010-05-19T15:46:03.325-04:00In these here intertoobs, isn't it known that ...In these here intertoobs, isn't it known that when one actually uses the meme--<br /><i>Shorter Aardvark--"I really don't know what the hell I'm talking about"</i><br />--that what follows the "Shorter (insert some doofus here)" is, in fact, a paraphrase, usually denoting something the original author completely missed or ignored in his or her little rant...<br />And isn't it customary when using the "Shorter (insert some doofus here)" meme that quotation marks are used, as in, "This is probably what the iggit should have said, or was saying but didn't realize"...<br />In short, a paraphrase...<br />There are a variety of ways of showing that you're paraphrasing. To wit--<br /><i>Shorter Aardvark--"I really don't know what the hell I'm talking about"</i><br />Shorter Aardvark--"<i>I really don't know what the hell I'm talkling about</i>"<br />Shorter Aardvark--"<b>I really don't know what the hell I'm talking about</b>"<br />Oh wait, they all have quotation marks...<br />Meh... again tempest in a teapot. The "offending 'evil'" has been scrubbed from the article. Life, as they say, goes on.Sparkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07537839430366306648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-55183363800380196702010-05-19T15:31:12.552-04:002010-05-19T15:31:12.552-04:00shorter ardtwat: "i'm a pedantic nitwit o...shorter ardtwat: "i'm a pedantic nitwit on the troll."<br /><br />KEvronKEvronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16732621823124759996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-52789616963038510442010-05-19T15:12:02.316-04:002010-05-19T15:12:02.316-04:00You DO NOT use quotation marks when paraphrasing. ...You DO NOT use quotation marks when paraphrasing. Here are about 200,000 links for you.<br /><br />http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&source=hp&q=using+quotation+marks+to+paraphrase&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=bff28e8e230e9c76<br /><br />Find me just one credible source that claims otherwise.Ardvarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08500944437649023719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-85440845937744262902010-05-19T14:53:04.498-04:002010-05-19T14:53:04.498-04:00Here's a suggestion, Ardvark -- go look up the...Here's a suggestion, Ardvark -- go look up the word "paraphrase." Then look up the phrase "<i>verbum dicendi</i>". Come back when you have dealt with your literary ignorance.<br /><br />Fuck, but I'm tired of teaching the Special Ed class around here.CChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11406057201126015750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-89016058533626462732010-05-19T14:51:29.113-04:002010-05-19T14:51:29.113-04:00Aardvark said
"The kind that prefaces those q...Aardvark said<br /><i>"The kind that prefaces those quotes with "which can be summed up as" to make it clear they're paraphrasing? Christ, I'm getting tired of having to explain stuff to these yobs."<br />Oh wise one, please find me a quote or reference that says it is proper to use quotation marks when it isn't an actual quote.</i><br /><br />Just above your request for a quote was a quote (in fact you quoting CC). This quote clearly implies that in the specified context quotation marks can be properly used for something that was not actually said.Ingo Brigandthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02143980200951209647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-26570375229373385592010-05-19T14:50:05.563-04:002010-05-19T14:50:05.563-04:00Liberal supporter tells Cancer patient to "fu...<i>Liberal supporter tells Cancer patient to "fuck off"</i>.<br />Was that <a href="http://canadiancynic.blogspot.com/2010/05/conservatism-culture-of-pathetic.html" rel="nofollow">this</a> Alan Kan?liberal supporterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01129945625510633921noreply@blogger.com