tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post4821716991232887422..comments2024-03-17T03:55:21.696-04:00Comments on Canadian Cynic: Money. Mouth. You can take it from there, right?CChttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11406057201126015750noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-89366871814622923042008-01-22T23:34:00.000-05:002008-01-22T23:34:00.000-05:00Fair enough. I shall now ease back into my comfy c...Fair enough. I shall now ease back into my comfy chair, have another Richard Dee Almond Vanilla, and watch the show until the end.Dr.Dawghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00416571487451925246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-55601538240704181752008-01-22T23:22:00.000-05:002008-01-22T23:22:00.000-05:00Dawg,It is highly unlikely, but possible. But it m...Dawg,<BR/><BR/>It is highly unlikely, but possible. But it may also be that, as I said over at Stageleft, that someone changed a legit message by hacking the forum software or the database.<BR/><BR/>Stating that the IP in question along with the OS (Windows 98 apparently) and browser (MSIE 4.0) makes it uniquely Warman is ridiculous. That combination probably accounts for thousands of Rogers customers.<BR/><BR/>I suspect the log or the comment was faked and that requires someone with access - from the inside or hacked in.<BR/><BR/>The point is, FD needs WAY more evidence than this and of a WAY higher quality. I work in IT security at a software security company and there is no way this would be used to accuse anyone of anything, without, as TI-Guy says, the ISP logs.<BR/><BR/>And as buckets says, that IP could have been a Tor exit node, meaning it could have come from anywhere.<BR/><BR/>Do they have a MAC address match? <BR/><BR/>If I wanted to make such an accusation, I would have a hell of a lot more evidence than this before posting it.<BR/><BR/>And besides, if coincidences didn't sometimes happen, they'd be called impossibilities. As unlikely as it seems, it may be that it was a coincidence.Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06941875334878452635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-15692365316509993292008-01-22T20:36:00.000-05:002008-01-22T20:36:00.000-05:00The only problem with that is that it's just a wee...The only problem with that is that it's just a wee bit too coincidental that two unrelated users, on separate computers, sent messages with broadly similar themes to the same wacky site, just when it happened that their IP addresses coincided. <BR/><BR/>If someone could explain how this could be done against the odds, I would dearly love to hear the explanation. I'm a bit of a techno-peasant when it comes to this area of expertise. I still favour log-fakery as a more likely explanation, if Warman in fact did not do what people are, er, "alleging" he did.Dr.Dawghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00416571487451925246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-41887782279105034942008-01-22T19:54:00.000-05:002008-01-22T19:54:00.000-05:00Dr. Dawg,Why not just that the IP address was assi...Dr. Dawg,<BR/><BR/>Why not just that the IP address was assigned to different computers at different times, as per Mike's remarks?bigcitylibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05081538803991095825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-15138916480333911952008-01-22T19:49:00.000-05:002008-01-22T19:49:00.000-05:00i had a troll showing up on my blog with all kinds...i had a troll showing up on my blog with all kinds of ip#'s from all over the world.<BR/><BR/><I>"anyone who's even remotely associated with these haters"</I><BR/><BR/>the genuinely conerned seraphic single refers to shaidle as "<I>my</I> mean lady". blechh.<BR/><BR/>KEvronKEvronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16732621823124759996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-69050000933775949772008-01-22T19:09:00.000-05:002008-01-22T19:09:00.000-05:00Truth is a defence in libel. But the burden of pro...Truth is a defence in libel. But the burden of proof is on the person making the statements in question.<BR/><BR/>I wish I knew more about the technology. As I understand it, Warman agreed under oath that he had used the name "Lucy." He denies that he used the name "90sareover" a few weeks previously. The allegation is that the IP addies are the same.<BR/><BR/>The only explanation that works for me is log-fakery. Other explanations just seem too tortuous.<BR/><BR/>I'm staying till the end, but I'm switching from popcorn to ice-cream. Enough is enough.Dr.Dawghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00416571487451925246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-9159773162474377122008-01-22T17:38:00.000-05:002008-01-22T17:38:00.000-05:00I'd like to know what the logging system was for t...I'd like to know what the logging system was for the site where these posts were allegedly made, and whether the site operators had access. Both databases or plain text logs are wide open to manual edits and the changes would be untraceable. FreeD is dreaming in technicolour if they think they have a case on this.<BR/><BR/>I don't know libel law - does Warman have any burden of proof, or is it up to FreedD to provide convincing evidence? If the latter, they are up shit creek. I'm not even a good programmer, but I could manipulate a log with little or no effort.valiantmauzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17851809667342087376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-6983561896930515632008-01-22T17:08:00.000-05:002008-01-22T17:08:00.000-05:00The wide usage suggests that it was for a time an ...The wide usage suggests that it was for a time an open proxy, something like <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor_%28anonymity_network%29" REL="nofollow">Tor</A>. This would mean that anyone in the world could have used it to post those messages.bucketshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14335699928912269666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-37816157338882774372008-01-22T14:32:00.000-05:002008-01-22T14:32:00.000-05:00I take a dim view of blogger forensics. It ends u...I take a dim view of blogger forensics. It ends up spreading a lot of misinformation, no matter how well-intentioned the motivation.<BR/><BR/>And as we've seen with <I>Teh Boggin Torees</I>, it often isn't well-intentioned at all, and it's quite often used to generate <I>disinformation</I>. Ringing bells that can't be later unrung, as some wise person said recently.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-43285009679510435292008-01-22T14:14:00.000-05:002008-01-22T14:14:00.000-05:00Thank y'all. Seems this will be a war of the techi...Thank y'all. Seems this will be a war of the techies, all right. Check this out:<BR/><BR/>http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/01/22/i-wouldnt-mourn-at-all/#comment-12560Dr.Dawghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00416571487451925246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-38931553179511159802008-01-22T13:52:00.000-05:002008-01-22T13:52:00.000-05:00Ti-Guy said... Because they won't tell us to which...<I>Ti-Guy said... <BR/>Because they won't tell us to which device the IP address was assigned at the time it was used to conduct whatever transaction is being called into evidence.</I><BR/><BR/>I think you've nailed it exactly. In this case, only Rogers knows who was assigned that IP address at the time of the alleged incident. I'm guessing that they'll be subpoenaed for those records soon enough, if they haven't already been.counter-coulterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01942904236425440011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-13753980042027654712008-01-22T13:46:00.000-05:002008-01-22T13:46:00.000-05:00Why don't Google results matter? Because they won'...<I>Why don't Google results matter? </I><BR/><BR/>Because they won't tell us to which device the IP address was assigned at the time it was used to conduct whatever transaction is being called into evidence.<BR/><BR/>...although I really haven't examined Lemire's artifacts in this case. I really don't care to, as fascists (proto- or otherwise) have a peculiar way of using language and logic and evidence that I find rather alien. Personally, I think they're mostly paranoid delusionals or psychopaths.<BR/><BR/>There are people who are paid to do that kind of work, in any case.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-26363165201146683842008-01-22T13:34:00.000-05:002008-01-22T13:34:00.000-05:00One thing that can be gleened from this IP address...One thing that can be gleened from this IP address is that it (at least currently) originates out of an Ottawa router. This is different than Rogers whois which is registered in Toronto:<BR/><BR/><I>OrgName: Rogers Cable Communications Inc. <BR/>OrgID: RCC-104<BR/>Address: One Mount Pleasant<BR/>City: Toronto<BR/>StateProv: ON<BR/>PostalCode: M4Y-2Y5<BR/>Country: CA</I>counter-coulterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01942904236425440011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-67953929425650604192008-01-22T13:30:00.000-05:002008-01-22T13:30:00.000-05:00Why don't Google results matter? Is Richard Warman...Why don't Google results matter? Is Richard Warman, an Ottawa lawyer, fluent in Thai, a Linux user who posts on an Italian site, etc.? Maybe. But this seems like a suspiciously wide array of interests and abilities for one person.Dr.Dawghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00416571487451925246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-66591533787521817222008-01-22T13:29:00.000-05:002008-01-22T13:29:00.000-05:00Yeah, its current assignment won't tell us anythin...Yeah, its current assignment won't tell us anything.<BR/><BR/>IP addresses are almost useless without records from the ISP, which usually have to be subpoenaed. <BR/><BR/>...although I'm sure some telecoms hand them out to the <I>highest bidder.</I>Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-69866696581567579002008-01-22T13:23:00.000-05:002008-01-22T13:23:00.000-05:00Here's the information for that IP address:IP addr...Here's the information for that IP address:<BR/><BR/><I>IP address [?]: 66.185.84.204 [Copy][Whois] <BR/>IP address country: Canada <BR/>IP address state: Ontario <BR/>IP address city: Ottawa <BR/>IP address latitude: 45.416698 <BR/>IP address longitude: -75.699997 <BR/>ISP of this IP [?]: Rogers Cable </I>counter-coulterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01942904236425440011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-76771266383921028432008-01-22T13:21:00.000-05:002008-01-22T13:21:00.000-05:00Google results don't matter. A Whois shows that, f...Google results don't matter. A Whois shows that, for better or worse, that address belongs to Rogers.Reality Biteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10350104223630062677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-43625452017227014182008-01-22T13:19:00.000-05:002008-01-22T13:19:00.000-05:00Dawg:I'm just heading out the door, but perhaps so...Dawg:<BR/><BR/>I'm just heading out the door, but perhaps someone with a few spare minutes can try to do a reverse DNS lookup on that address and see what surfaces.CChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11406057201126015750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-78561106379674830932008-01-22T13:06:00.000-05:002008-01-22T13:06:00.000-05:00Linux, sorry.Linux, sorry.Dr.Dawghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00416571487451925246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-29507441899765340792008-01-22T13:05:00.000-05:002008-01-22T13:05:00.000-05:00BigCityLib made an interesting observation at my p...BigCityLib made an interesting observation at my place--he said the IP address in question (66.185.84.204) sounds like a public site.<BR/><BR/>Try Googling it. You get everything from a website entirely in Thai, to another in Italian for Libux users, to a comment about a Northern Ontario beauty pageant...<BR/><BR/>I think BCL is onto something.Dr.Dawghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00416571487451925246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-30594026027039429602008-01-22T12:55:00.000-05:002008-01-22T12:55:00.000-05:00I love how the comment ended with the "ta ta."It's...I love how the comment ended with the "ta ta."<BR/><BR/>It's so <I>Heather</I>-ish.<BR/><BR/>Since I'm assuming children and young adults should be in school right now and not trolling the internet, I have a hard time imagining just what kind of adults these people are.<BR/><BR/>Feh. Progressives should start banning/deleting anyone who's even remotely associated with these haters (Blazing Cat Fur is associated with RightGirl); they're not going to tell us anything new.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.com