tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post3892980632960723872..comments2024-03-17T03:55:21.696-04:00Comments on Canadian Cynic: Dear wanks: What exactly is it with you and Israel, anyway?CChttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11406057201126015750noreply@blogger.comBlogger64125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-92193978757624166582009-01-12T23:41:00.000-05:002009-01-12T23:41:00.000-05:00More than fair, thanks Frank.More than fair, thanks Frank.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03314603669176202647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-50714722482404984302009-01-12T20:46:00.000-05:002009-01-12T20:46:00.000-05:00Wayne, quite simply the choice or decision at ACR ...Wayne, quite simply the choice or decision at ACR isn't mine to make. It is not my blog - i.e. I do not own or operate ACR, Pale & Prole do. I am merely their occasional house guest and they tolerate me even though I only come over, for the most part, to raid the refrigerator, drink all of Pale's Belgian beer and rare single malts, belch and fart loudly, and pass out on the couch half-dressed.<BR/><BR/>It wouldn't be my decision to 'cut you off' at ACR. I have neither that power nor authority. It's Pale & Prole's hizzle, not mine. If you're referring to 'frankfrink.blogspot', it's not a maintained blog. Just wanted to grab the name before anyone else did.<BR/><BR/>Just so you also know, Pale & Prole don't need my input to reach a decision to decline your registration request. They've seen your act, and believe me it's probably all for the best (and your own good) that you were declined. As I mentioned earlier, they would easily rip you to shreds but don't see any good reason to expend any energy doing so.Frank Frinkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05727863730658037306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-12543235765071748822009-01-12T20:44:00.000-05:002009-01-12T20:44:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Frank Frinkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05727863730658037306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-41288398710992072292009-01-12T19:27:00.000-05:002009-01-12T19:27:00.000-05:00shlemazl: I don't get the jokes either.I have enjo...shlemazl: I don't get the jokes either.<BR/><BR/>I have enjoyed your comments, thank you.<BR/><BR/>Frank: I was not trying to troll you, just talk with you. If I am an asshole over at your blog, cut me off. But, I would like a chance.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03314603669176202647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-52720860426224232822009-01-12T16:48:00.000-05:002009-01-12T16:48:00.000-05:00@JABbering Stooge Your jokes missed the target. E...@JABbering Stooge <BR/><BR/>Your jokes missed the target. Either they are too dumb for me or I am to dumb to understand them. Let's leave it at that.BHChhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08178467606233596591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-58755128308498697222009-01-12T16:42:00.000-05:002009-01-12T16:42:00.000-05:00Your post really makes it seem that Israel is not ...<EM>Your post really makes it seem that Israel is not seeking peace in order for the older Palestinians to die off, so they can claim no one in the Territories has any personal claim on the land.</EM><BR/><BR/>That's not what I said. I am simply responding to the ridiculous "living memory" argument, which clearly does not work. Lots of changes and popultion movements happened in the last 60 years, but none of them justify terrorism against Israelis or anyone else.<BR/><BR/>Israelis do seek peace. There could have been one in 48 - Arabs attacked. Israel offered peace for land after victory in 6-day war - arabs said "no no no!". Israel gave away Sinai in exchange for peace with Egypt. Barak/Clinton tried with Arafat, but it didn't work. Israel uprooted her people from Gaza unilaterally - received escalation in missiles and terror in return. <BR/><BR/>Hamas charter clearly states that they seek extermination of all Jews. Sorry, I doubt Israel will ever accept peace on these terms.<BR/><BR/><EM>blockade and rationing of water and power</EM> <BR/><BR/>Israel has no obligation to supply entity which is terrorizing her civilians. Let Egypt supply Hamas if they want to. Your point does not work because there is no blockade of the West Bank which makes it clear that Israel has no evil intent as per your wild claims. <BR/><BR/>Your points on Grads and Qassams are factually wrong. My uncle is a surgen in Israel who has been helping thousands of Qassams victims. They have used Grads in the past and you appear to be excluding non-lethal casualties, but it does not matter. The damage is goes beyond physical - it's not OK for kids to have to run to bomb-shelters every single day for years. Anyway, we agree that either way shooting missiles targeting Israeli civilians is not unacceptable and therefore that self-defense is justified; let's leave it at that.<BR/><BR/><EM>As long as Israel is running military operations in Gaza, and targeting civilian infrastructure in Gaza, I doubt there is a moral argument that says that Hamas can’t do the same.</EM><BR/><BR/>The moment Palestinian terrorist groups running Gaza renounces the objective of destroying Israel, exterminating Jews and stop attacking Israel, there will be no Israeli military operations in Gaza. Until then Israel's obligation is to defend her citizens. Anything else is criminal negligence on behalf of any government. <BR/><BR/><EM>But Israel is not trying to reduce civilian casualties by purposely targeting the buildings that hold civilians. It does not matter if there are terrorists inside; it is a war crime to target these civilians, with the knowledge you will kill them.</EM> <BR/><BR/>False. If attacking the civilian infrastructure is a war crime, then modern warfare is entirely impermissible, and terrorists using this infrastructure have a free hand in attacking democracies and hiding from retaliation among civilians. Terrorists become de facto immune from any consequences for their atrocities. <BR/><BR/>If Allies used your principle during WWII, you'd be speaking German right now and I wouldn't even be around.BHChhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08178467606233596591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-64924651501753160322009-01-12T15:43:00.000-05:002009-01-12T15:43:00.000-05:00See sarcasm only makes sense if it bares semblence...<EM>See sarcasm only makes sense if it bares semblence to reality.</EM><BR/><BR/>Okay,<BR/><BR/>shlemazl, 1/11/09, 2:27 PM:<BR/><EM>Filcher, the Ben Gurion quote is a fabrication. Blood libel.<BR/><BR/><STRONG>Guess this answers the question whether the right or the left are anti-Semitic.</STRONG></EM><BR/><BR/>shlemazl, 1/11/09, 9:49 PM:<BR/><EM>Your condemning the policeman rather than the hostage-taker promotes hostage-taking. Which is why some of you are inadvertently promoting terrorism.</EM><BR/><BR/>shlemazl, 1/11/09, 11:14 PM (four minutes before you accused me of lying):<BR/><EM>Are you telling me that it's OK for Hamas to shoot at kindergardens because great great grandfathers of these babies won a war against Arabs?<BR/><BR/><STRONG>There are only two perspectives: normal and that of a terrorist.</STRONG></EM><BR/><BR/>The prosecution rests, your honor. *sits back and waits while shlemazl fumes, rages, shifts the goalposts and calls me an anti-Semite for the thoughtcrime of criticizing any Israeli policy*Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06271052703396070972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-64058989444943827792009-01-12T14:20:00.000-05:002009-01-12T14:20:00.000-05:00shlemazl said... “1. Please stop calling me name...shlemazl said... “1. Please stop calling me names. It creates the impression that I am arguing with a 5-year old.”<BR/><BR/>I do apologize. It is just that the name is hard to remember and I found after a while just easier to type. I will just italicise your quotes from now on.<BR/><BR/><BR/><I>"Living memory"? That's a new one for me. Can I assume that you would also support the transfer of Sudets, Koeniegsberg and Danzig to Germany, Kurils to Japan and, naturally, of Kosovo to Serbia to be accompanied by major expulsions of the current inhabitants? </I><BR/><BR/><BR/>The Palestinians and their offspring do remember a recent past that included living on the land where Israel is. For the last 60 years there have been Palestinians living in Gaza and the West Bank who have lived inside Israel. Your post really makes it seem that Israel is not seeking peace in order for the older Palestinians to die off, so they can claim no one in the Territories has any personal claim on the land.<BR/><BR/>This actually would make sense, considering the blockade and rationing of water and power, as the older people are generally not as healthy and strong as the young ones.<BR/><BR/><BR/><I>False. When Israel was founded most of the land belonged to the British Mandate, which in turn inherited the land from the dissolved Ottoman Empire. Or are you using the Hamas principle that once the land belongs to an Islamic state, it is classed as "Muslim" for eternity? </I><BR/><BR/>I really would like proof that the land belonged to the British Mandate. My understanding is that it belonged to the indigenous people of the area, and the League of Nations had allowed Britain to administer the area. If Hamas is using the principle that land which once was Muslim, should stay Muslim, it would be no less ridiculous than the claims of some that the land was Israel’s 2000 or 600 or 4000 years ago, or that an invisible man with a robe and a beard gave it to them, so they are the true owners of it.<BR/><BR/>I also understand that Palestinians who were driven off the land, privately owned much of the land in Palestine, when Israel was founded. These Palestinians have never been paid for this land that was lost and then claimed by Israel.<BR/><BR/><I>False. There were anti-Jewish murderous pogroms in the year of 1920 and most years after that. The vast majority of Palestinian Arabs supported Nazi Germany. Did Nazi hatred of Jews stem from the "loss of land" as well? </I><BR/><BR/><BR/>Much of the hatred was started by Zionists who regaled the arabs with tales of establishing a Jewish state, run by Jews and for Jews, making the arabs, who had originally been supportive of allowing Jewish immigration, uneasy. There were also instances of Jewish intrusion into arab culture and beliefs, that caused problems. The problems were economic, social and cultural in scope, with the increasing immigration putting pressure on the arabs, and creating a Palestinian nationalism in counter of Jewish nationalism. The focus on religion was a useful tool used by both sides, but it was not a major factor in creating a feeling of uneasy in the early Palestinians.<BR/><BR/><BR/><I>False, but even if it were not false, terrorism, maiming and attempted murder are NOT OK. It is the primary duty of any state to ensure safety of its citizens and the State of Israel is guilty of negligence in not acting decisively much sooner. </I><BR/><BR/>Until the breakdown of the ceasefire, there were no casualties from rocket fire since May 2007, when Osri Oz and Shiret Friedman were killed by a Qassam rocket landing near them.<BR/><BR/>I never said that terrorism, maiming and attempted murder are okay, I have repeatedly said the people who launch rockets into Israel are murderers, and that it is as much of a war crime as intentionally targeting a school where refugees are, or bombing a hospital compound, or targeting trucks on a road, or any of a number of things the Israel apologists are defending. A war crime is a war crime, and it is childish to use the excues, “well hamas does”<BR/><BR/>If Hamas jumped off a bridge would you automatically jump off a bridge? I hope not, so quit your support of Israel’s crimes against the people of Palestine, and Gaza in particular.<BR/><BR/><BR/><I>False and false. Chinese Grads in particular have fairly sophisticated targeting mechanisms; you just need to know how to use it. Gaza-manufactured missiles are designed with shrapnel to inflict maximum damage on humans. We know for a fact that Hamas is targeting civilians as a matter of policy. Suicide bombs exploded in the nightclubs, schoolbuses, pizzerias, etc... When they kill Israeli children there are celebrations and the giving out of sweets in the streets of Gaza. </I><BR/><BR/>When did the Grads come into play, after Hamas started retaliating the attacks into Gaza by Israel forces. Before that there were the Qassam , and home made rockets, that can’t be targeted. As long as Israel is running military operations in Gaza, and targeting civilian infrastructure in Gaza, I doubt there is a moral argument that says that Hamas can’t do the same.<BR/><BR/>That both actions are war crimes, and should be viewed with repugnance seems lost on you.<BR/><BR/><BR/><I>Agreed. If Israel did not try to reduce civilian casualties it could have flattened Gaza in a matter of hours without ANY risk to Israeli soldiers. Avoiding civilian casualties in Gaza is not possible. Terrorists wear civilian clothes, use Mosques and schools for military purposes. No reliable data, but based on what I've seen Israel is doing better at avoiding civilian casualties than, for example, NATO during the Kosovo conflict. </I><BR/><BR/>But Israel is not trying to reduce civilian casualties by purposely targeting the buildings that hold civilians. It does not matter if there are terrorists inside; it is a war crime to target these civilians, with the knowledge you will kill them.<BR/><BR/>Again, you are using the excuse “Well NATO did it. Why can’t I?”Filcherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09515720302942668270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-68521048834667407822009-01-12T10:50:00.000-05:002009-01-12T10:50:00.000-05:00Wayne,You thought you would have a dialogue with P...Wayne,<BR/><BR/>You thought you would have a dialogue with Pale & Prole? Geez, are you ever dumb. Either one would have your balls on a stick before you even noticed they were missing.<BR/><BR/>Besides, Pale really, I mean <I>really</I>, hates having to fumigate the place.<BR/><BR/>No, actually the truth here Wayne is you wanted to troll me. Better luck next lifetime.<BR/><BR/>wv - "psidi" as in "You psidi boy, Wayne"Frank Frinkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05727863730658037306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-65681914250242761862009-01-12T10:15:00.000-05:002009-01-12T10:15:00.000-05:00If you never change your mind, why have one? -Edwa...If you never change your mind, why have one? <BR/>-Edward de BonoAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03314603669176202647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-57723355914772010382009-01-12T09:46:00.000-05:002009-01-12T09:46:00.000-05:00Frank:"And I suppose this is why you thought ...Frank:<BR/><BR/>"And I suppose this is why you thought you would like to come over and Pale & Prole's house to lay a big steaming coil on their carpet. Sorry, Wayner, they're already on to you."<BR/><BR/>Know I thought I could have a dialog, but it is impossible.<BR/><BR/>Good news is Raskolnikov is back.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03314603669176202647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-56410481563089913302009-01-12T09:45:00.000-05:002009-01-12T09:45:00.000-05:00Filcher1. Please stop calling me names. It create...Filcher<BR/><BR/>1. Please stop calling me names. It creates the impression that I am arguing with a 5-year old.<BR/><BR/>2. <EM>Sixty years is far enough back. That is within living memory to a great deal of people, people that were born inside Israel's borders, and not allowed to return</EM><BR/><BR/>"Living memory"? That's a new one for me. Can I assume that you would also support the transfer of Sudets, Koeniegsberg and Danzig to Germany, Kurils to Japan and, naturally, of Kosovo to Serbia to be accompanied by major expulsions of the current inhabitants?<BR/><BR/>Your "great deal" is about 2%. Some 3.4% of the population of Gaza are over 64 years of age and are therefore old enough to remember anything. I am guessing more than half of these 3.4% were born in Gaza itself.<BR/><BR/>For comparison, 75% of Israelis were born in Israel. Whose "living memory" is better? The balance includes Jewish refugees from the Arab countries.<BR/><BR/>3. <EM>when israel was founded most of the land in Israel was still held by Palestinians</EM><BR/><BR/>False. When Israel was founded most of the land belonged to the British Mandate, which in turn inherited the land from the dissolved Ottoman Empire. Or are you using the Hamas principle that once the land belongs to an Islamic state, it is classed as "Muslim" for eternity?<BR/><BR/>4. <EM>the hatred of Israel stems from the loss of the land</EM> <BR/><BR/>False. There were anti-Jewish murderous pogroms in the year of 1920 and most years after that. The vast majority of Palestinian Arabs supported Nazi Germany. Did Nazi hatred of Jews stem from the "loss of land" as well?<BR/><BR/>5. <EM>in fact no Isreali had been killed by a rocket attack since Nov of 2006.</EM> <BR/><BR/>False, but even if it were not false, terrorism, maiming and attempted murder are NOT OK. It is the primary duty of any state to ensure safety of its citizens and the State of Israel is guilty of negligence in not acting decisively much sooner.<BR/><BR/>6. <EM>Palestinian rockets are not shooting at anyone, as they lack proper targetting mechanism.</EM><BR/><BR/>False and false. Chinese Grads in particular have fairly sophisticated targeting mechanisms; you just need to know how to use it. Gaza-manufactured missiles are designed with shrapnel to inflict maximum damage on humans. We know for a fact that Hamas is targeting civilians as a matter of policy. Suicide bombs exploded in the nightclubs, schoolbuses, pizzerias, etc... When they kill Israeli children there are celebrations and the giving out of sweets in the streets of Gaza.<BR/><BR/>7. <EM>not attempting to reduce civilian casualties is a war crime</EM><BR/><BR/>Agreed. If Israel did not try to reduce civilian casualties it could have flattened Gaza in a matter of hours without ANY risk to Israeli soldiers. Avoiding civilian casualties in Gaza is not possible. Terrorists wear civilian clothes, use Mosques and schools for military purposes. No reliable data, but based on what I've seen Israel is doing better at avoiding civilian casualties than, for example, NATO during the Kosovo conflict.BHChhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08178467606233596591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-25912265278316394952009-01-12T08:53:00.000-05:002009-01-12T08:53:00.000-05:00@sassy I can give you access if you give me an e-m...@sassy <BR/><BR/>I can give you access if you give me an e-mail address. Haven't decided what to do with my blog.BHChhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08178467606233596591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-29409039367187585342009-01-12T00:46:00.000-05:002009-01-12T00:46:00.000-05:00Schmiegel says :"Although Jews have a much stronge...Schmiegel says :"Although Jews have a much stronger historic argument arguing about history is pointless."<BR/><BR/><BR/>Actually I think Rome has a much stronger historic claim to the land. Palestinians have a claim because the falmilies lived in the region, grew up in the region and moved to and from the region.<BR/><BR/>There are many Palestinians in the concentration, I mean Gaza, that were born in Israel and forced to move out.<BR/><BR/><BR/><B>Smegiel says:</B> "How far back are you looking? Sixty years? There was Arab attack, civil war then aggression from a bunch of Arab nations which lost the war. Hundred years? There was purchasing of land. Why not look back 2000 or 3000 years?"<BR/><BR/><BR/>Sixty years is far enough back. That is within living memory to a great deal of people, people that were born inside Israel's borders, and not allowed to return. Going back before the creation of Israel? There was purchasing of land, but when israel was founded most of the land in Israel was still held by Palestinians, many of whom left due to fear of war, or intimidation by Israeli groups.<BR/><BR/><B>Schmeigel says: </B>"Are you telling me that it's OK for Hamas to shoot at kindergardens because great great grandfathers of these babies won a war against Arabs?<BR/><BR/><BR/>Palestinian rockets are not shooting at anyone, as they lack proper targetting mechanism. The rockets are not as dangerous as you seem to think anyway, in 6 months of bombardment during the ceasefire no one was killed by a rocket attack, in fact no Isreali had been killed by a rocket attack since Nov of 2006.<BR/><BR/>You are confusing the issue, the hatred of Israel stems from the loss of the land, it has nothing to do with the war of 1948, except as a catalyst for the arab nations. <BR/><BR/>As for the shooting rockets into Israel at random, it is a crime, and if someone is hit and killed it's murder. Under the same Laws however, targetting or not attempting to reduce civilian casualties is a war crime. Shooting missiles that are targetted to hit UN schools with hundreds of refugees inside, or blowing up houses that are known to hold refugees, is a war crime, as the target of the missile is known along with the certainty it will cause injury and likely death to those inside.Filcherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09515720302942668270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-8032824413040996962009-01-12T00:20:00.000-05:002009-01-12T00:20:00.000-05:00I thought I asked you not to answer that last ques...I thought I asked you not to answer that last question.<BR/><BR/>Thanks all the same.Frank Frinkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05727863730658037306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-85635080577385241012009-01-12T00:10:00.000-05:002009-01-12T00:10:00.000-05:00Shlemazl - what's with your blog?This blog is open...Shlemazl - what's with your blog?<BR/><BR/><I>This blog is open to invited readers only<BR/>http://shlemazl.blogspot.com/ </I>sassyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10423260743909863283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-34378418528452265362009-01-12T00:00:00.000-05:002009-01-12T00:00:00.000-05:00Frank Frink:Do you always ask clever questions? S...Frank Frink:<BR/><BR/>Do you always ask clever questions? See sarcasm only makes sense if it bares semblence to reality.BHChhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08178467606233596591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-48123554463147127422009-01-11T23:52:00.000-05:002009-01-11T23:52:00.000-05:00Shlemazl, re: JAB's comment to you -- you do under...Shlemazl, re: JAB's comment to you -- you do understand <I>sarcasm</I>?<BR/><BR/>Do you take <I>everything</I> so literally? Do you always take yourself waaaaaay too seriously? Wait, don't answer that last one.Frank Frinkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05727863730658037306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-22901365890224201662009-01-11T23:48:00.000-05:002009-01-11T23:48:00.000-05:00shlemazl is the one that makes the most sense to m...<I>shlemazl is the one that makes the most sense to me.</I><BR/><BR/>Oh, that's such a surprise. No, really! Pretty much says a whole lot about you, too.<BR/><BR/>And I suppose this is why you thought you would like to come over and Pale & Prole's house to lay a big steaming coil on their carpet. Sorry, Wayner, they're already on to you.<BR/><BR/>I love word verification here. I swear I am not making this up.<BR/>wv = "ariblib"Frank Frinkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05727863730658037306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-88423702615572809132009-01-11T23:46:00.000-05:002009-01-11T23:46:00.000-05:00Right. The person whose sole "contribution" to the...<EM>Right. The person whose sole "contribution" to the conversation has been to call anyone who dares to so much as criticize Israeli traffic laws anti-Semitic</EM><BR/><BR/>Can I have a reference? You see I never said anything of the kind. The author of this post on the other hand claimed that all right-wingers are anti-Semites. He lied, just like you did.BHChhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08178467606233596591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-36883076789524956092009-01-11T23:42:00.001-05:002009-01-11T23:42:00.001-05:00You are looking at it from a Israeli POV. You shou...<EM>You are looking at it from a Israeli POV. You should equate it to a thief stealing your possessions (ie land), and abusing and degrading your family (collective punishments of birder closures and energy, water and food rationing), and you trying to stop him.</EM><BR/><BR/>How far back are you looking? Sixty years? There was Arab attack, civil war then aggression from a bunch of Arab nations which lost the war. Hundred years? There was purchasing of land. Why not look back 2000 or 3000 years? <BR/><BR/>Although Jews have a much stronger historic argument arguing about history is pointless. It's complex, circular and isn't going to get you anywhere. The point is that today the vast majority of Israelis were born in Israel, including all their leaders and the vast majority of Palestinians were born outside Israel. Arafat was born in Egypt.<BR/><BR/>Are you telling me that it's OK for Hamas to shoot at kindergardens because great great grandfathers of these babies won a war against Arabs?<BR/><BR/>There are only two perspectives: normal and that of a terrorist.BHChhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08178467606233596591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-4704962467935782362009-01-11T23:42:00.000-05:002009-01-11T23:42:00.000-05:00shlemazl is the one that makes the most sense to m...<EM>shlemazl is the one that makes the most sense to me.</EM><BR/><BR/>Right. The person whose sole "contribution" to the conversation has been to call anyone who dares to so much as criticize Israeli traffic laws anti-Semitic is the one who makes the most sense. Sure.<BR/><BR/>Whatever helps you sleep at night, dude.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06271052703396070972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-18667668861290272162009-01-11T22:41:00.000-05:002009-01-11T22:41:00.000-05:00Frank Frink:So you would rather just preach to the...Frank Frink:<BR/><BR/>So you would rather just preach to the converted? I don't want to comment where everyone agrees, how do you get new ideas or insight into how others think? I might not like what I see or you might not like what you see, but it deserves to be seen. How else do we grow and learn to get along?<BR/><BR/>Paladiea, Filcher, Kusotarre have made points that I have not thought about before, a different angle.<BR/><BR/>shlemazl is the one that makes the most sense to me.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03314603669176202647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-20403409843652135632009-01-11T22:34:00.000-05:002009-01-11T22:34:00.000-05:00Paladiea:"Furthermore you agreed with me initially...Paladiea:<BR/><BR/>"Furthermore you agreed with me initially that killing someone was wrong yes?" Murder is wrong.<BR/><BR/>"To claim after that killing is wrong EXCEPT when there are circumstances (which you have not defined yet by the way) Is changing how you view/interpret the law at your whim (changing the standards of society should you get your way). Therefore it's moral relativism." OK, I see what you mean by "moral relativism", I just don't agree with your view.<BR/><BR/><BR/>"In what cases is it ok to kill someone?" In self-defence.<BR/><BR/>If a person is said to be in defence, what does the law say about excessive violence?<BR/><BR/>It depends on the particular facts and circumstances. You should only use enough force to stop the violence and kill only if have no doubt and are fearful that you would be killed. (Excessive violence in hockey, seems to be ok.)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03314603669176202647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-6584249132159018002009-01-11T22:24:00.000-05:002009-01-11T22:24:00.000-05:00Haha too true Frank...I give up for the night, log...Haha too true Frank...<BR/><BR/>I give up for the night, logic and reason are hopeless. And just forget about compassion! Best to ignore them and move on.Paladieahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00957955716697489071noreply@blogger.com