tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post334456048235426733..comments2024-03-17T03:55:21.696-04:00Comments on Canadian Cynic: The Great Canadian Debate: No, you're NOT entitled to your own facts.CChttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11406057201126015750noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-70143042861356175842007-07-10T13:07:00.000-04:002007-07-10T13:07:00.000-04:00The Great Canadian Debate was never about free spe...The Great Canadian Debate was never about free speech, it's main goal is about civilized discussion between disagreeing sides. If you can't abide by the rules, then you don't belong.<BR/><BR/>If you want to rant incoherently, do it on your own blog.Paladieahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00957955716697489071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-23376842674857492132007-07-10T12:19:00.000-04:002007-07-10T12:19:00.000-04:00But they didn't say they didn't want lies and made...But they didn't say they didn't want lies and made-up facts. If they didn't want lies and made-up facts, they should have said they didn't want lies and made-up facts.<BR/><BR/>Steve Martin, on being called for using lies and made-up facts.<BR/><BR/> - - -<BR/><BR/>Anyhoo, CC, they not only don't want to discuss facts, anything that started as a fact has to get their 'straw man treatment' before it is presentable. You know, they have to add their assumptions and interpretations to what was really said, before they can respond to their assumptions and interpretations of what you said in the first place.<BR/><BR/>Like interpreting open debate as "anarchy". They can't let anarchy happen! However, censorship is just fine, as long as they choose what is being censored"<BR/><I><BR/>For the record, there will be no debates that the moderators consider substantively "settled" (eg. gay marriage, global warming, evolution, gravity, that the Leafs suck, and so on). We pick the topics, and pick the posts on those topics that are deemed reasonable enough in language and message to publish. It won't be the anarchic free-for-all that your post implies.</I><BR/>After all, it's the <A HREF="http://www.plnewsforum.com/index.php/forums/viewthread/19626/" REL="nofollow">libs that hate free speech</A>mikmikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00366766734839522162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-69914903454671872922007-07-10T07:30:00.000-04:002007-07-10T07:30:00.000-04:00Who are "these people". I told you to avoid the c...Who are "these people". <BR/><BR/>I told you to avoid the cheap ad hominen and accuse me of agreeing with the argument itself but you just can't resist, can you?<BR/><BR/>But that's just your way. You only prove what your critics accuse you of.<BR/><BR/>You should just be a man and admit that you took the lazy press characterization of something rather than looking at it yourself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-52895348865332156462007-07-10T02:40:00.000-04:002007-07-10T02:40:00.000-04:00Now, do you folks understand why I have no interes...Now, do you folks understand why I have no interest in debating these people?CChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11406057201126015750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-78426616055102541262007-07-09T22:38:00.000-04:002007-07-09T22:38:00.000-04:00Observer: Bishop Henry attempted to draw a moral ...Observer: <BR/><BR/>Bishop Henry attempted to draw a moral equivalence that doesn't exist, as I showed back <A HREF="http://crystalgaze2.blogspot.com/2005/01/set-theory-which-of-these-is-not-like.html" REL="nofollow">here</A><BR/><BR/>What if Bishop Henry's letter had talked of Jews, Blacks or Asians? Would it have been "acceptable" then? ... the short answer is No. So why is it "acceptable" to target GLBT people?MgShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11183962674882855323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-1962153666478793312007-07-09T22:21:00.000-04:002007-07-09T22:21:00.000-04:00I beg to differ but prostitution isn't illegal in ...I beg to differ but prostitution isn't illegal in this country.<BR/>I think the Bishop meant solicitation, which is.<BR/><BR/>He should have gotten Mother Superior to proof read his material. <BR/>She could have told him it was $20, just like downtown, but that would be a crime now. <BR/>Wouldn't it? <BR/><BR/>Think about it, if prostitution was made illegal it would jeopardize the livelihoods of all those lawyers and politicians.<BR/><BR/>Oh the humanity, Jason and Stevie would have to get real jobs!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-76032508450052872702007-07-09T21:37:00.000-04:002007-07-09T21:37:00.000-04:00Go away, Richard. You're sickening.Go away, Richard. You're sickening.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-4299144618041394802007-07-09T21:32:00.000-04:002007-07-09T21:32:00.000-04:00Having fun in the toilet CC?Having fun in the toilet CC?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-63053117361048427372007-07-09T21:14:00.000-04:002007-07-09T21:14:00.000-04:00Someone draw the Observer a logic venn diagram. Q...Someone draw the Observer a logic venn diagram. QED!Zorpheoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09618889126077232837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-68027966226938182542007-07-09T21:01:00.000-04:002007-07-09T21:01:00.000-04:00CC,you are pretty good at making up your own facts...CC,<BR/><BR/>you are pretty good at making up your own facts.<BR/><BR/>here's a link to the <A HREF="http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/jan/050113a.html" REL="nofollow">Bishop's letter</A><BR/><BR/>here's a <A HREF="http://canadiancynic.blogspot.com/2007/07/were-piously-devout-theyre.html" REL="nofollow">link </A> to your a post where in the comments you write: "When a Catholic bishop describes gays as being equivalent to criminals...".<BR/><BR/>So where exactly did this occur in the letter?<BR/><BR/>The offending line starts with "Since homosexuality, adultery, prostitution and pornography undermine the foundations of the family".<BR/><BR/>Since when does presence in a list signify equivalence?<BR/><BR/>Even by your own warped logic, the Bishop must then also have been saying that adulterers are whores and that pornographers are gay and any other two node permutation of those 4 items (four choose two).<BR/><BR/>In any case, of the four items in the list only one, prostitution, is criminal behaviour.<BR/><BR/>Please do not accuse me of arguing in favour of any of the content of the letter; I'm only pointing out that you feel entitled to your own facts as well. <BR/><BR/>It's only that <I>Rabbit</I> was a poor arguer and it doesn't mean that your argument was "won" based on the actual facts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-65020697409889991632007-07-09T20:26:00.000-04:002007-07-09T20:26:00.000-04:00From the CBC article you quoted:"Bishop Fred Henry...From the CBC article you quoted:<BR/><BR/>"Bishop Fred Henry is refusing to take back comments he made comparing homosexuality to prostitution and adultery, after two people lodged human rights complaints against him."<BR/><BR/>Sounds like an attempt at silencing freedom of speech to me.<BR/><BR/>Good going Canada! Freedom of speech is, like, SO overvalued.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-38885119567339754452007-07-09T19:59:00.000-04:002007-07-09T19:59:00.000-04:00Their reality doesn't come with handles.Think of w...<B>Their reality doesn't come with handles.</B><BR/>Think of when you are at a concert and a big balloon is being bounced around the crowd, that's what their reality reminds me of. <BR/>It's a big floaty bubble they get occasionally get in touch with for just fleeting moment. <BR/>The rest of the time they are content to imagine themselves as staunch defenders of some static world that never was, circa 1957.<BR/>There they are unquestionably the good guys, can do no wrong.<BR/>In this herd mind state any deviation from the norm, be it spiritual, behavioral or moral, is cause for immediate and harsh punishment.<BR/>Only when they happen to unexpectedly get whacked in the head with reality does anything sink in. <BR/>The most you can offer these poor souls - I think the term is BTs - is a little advice and hope it might sink in:<BR/><BR/>It's reality you folks, so best get a grip on it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-31436164835684505082007-07-09T19:42:00.000-04:002007-07-09T19:42:00.000-04:00CC,Thanks for the constant exposure, everyone invo...CC,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the constant exposure, everyone involved is much obliged - and your sustained pessimism is duly noted... again. <BR/><BR/>For the record, there will be no debates that the moderators consider substantively "settled" (eg. gay marriage, global warming, evolution, gravity, that the Leafs suck, and so on). We pick the topics, and pick the posts on those topics that are deemed reasonable enough in language and message to publish. It won't be the anarchic free-for-all that your post implies.Olafhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12434267803807108634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-51826964998617288392007-07-09T19:08:00.000-04:002007-07-09T19:08:00.000-04:00My personal preference is to provide feedback to a...My personal preference is to provide feedback to a commenter who is commenting on someone who is commenting on someone who is commenting on someone who is commenting on someone who is commenting on someone who is commenting on someone who is commenting on someone who is commenting on someone who is commenting on something they want nothing to do with. I like to think of it as going deeper. Anonymous, why don't you wait for me, and <I>then</I> make a smartass remark?¢rÄbG®äŠŠhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16307684311454262849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-75730943807551153722007-07-09T17:55:00.000-04:002007-07-09T17:55:00.000-04:00More obsessing about something you want nothing to...<I>More obsessing about something you want nothing to do with Cynic? What gives?</I><BR/><BR/>Once again, a commenter complaining about what you choose to write about....I'm comfortable saying that most of this blogs postings are criticizing something CC wants nothing to do with. If this isn't what you want to read (and some days I don't), then don't come here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-54937865688035640692007-07-09T17:13:00.000-04:002007-07-09T17:13:00.000-04:00But, one has to wonder why you're putting the big ...<I>But, one has to wonder why you're putting the big "poo-poo" on the whole idea.</I><BR/><BR/>Really? You mean reading the post itself doesn't give you any clue?<BR/><BR/>Google "2nd law of thermodynamics" and "evolution" and see what comes up.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-51356064620245930012007-07-09T15:41:00.000-04:002007-07-09T15:41:00.000-04:00Here's a suggestion, A: why don't you try leaving ...<I>Here's a suggestion, A: why don't you try leaving comments that have something worthwhile to say? Really, give it a shot. There's always a first time for everything, you know.</I><BR/><BR/>With responses like the one above, I can see why you'd be scared to participate. But, one has to wonder why you're putting the big "poo-poo" on the whole idea.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-62923877027840584412007-07-09T15:16:00.000-04:002007-07-09T15:16:00.000-04:00More obsessing about something you want nothing to...More obsessing about something you want nothing to do with Cynic? What gives?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com