tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post1093727260921293080..comments2024-03-28T03:54:21.932-04:00Comments on Canadian Cynic: A sane person’s guide to the crazy.CChttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11406057201126015750noreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-50988784596082688812007-12-13T21:25:00.000-05:002007-12-13T21:25:00.000-05:00Counter-Coulter: "I was wrong to try to take you t...Counter-Coulter: "I was wrong to try to take you to task for something you did not imply."<BR/><BR/>Now there's some civil discourse. Bravo.¢rÄbG®äŠŠhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16307684311454262849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-42683901556778730682007-12-13T17:42:00.000-05:002007-12-13T17:42:00.000-05:00* cross-posted at ALW's blog *Aaron, I believe tha...* cross-posted at ALW's blog *<BR/><BR/>Aaron, <BR/><BR/>I believe that I was too quick to judge based on a single term you used in describing your position. After re-reading your post and your follow-up comments there, I was mistaken about your position and apologize. While I may not agree with the vast majority of what you write, in this instance, I was wrong to try to take you to task for something you did not imply.counter-coulterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01942904236425440011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-38818570047671935522007-12-13T09:36:00.000-05:002007-12-13T09:36:00.000-05:00I don't care about the foul mouths (they are on ei...I don't care about the foul mouths (they are on either side and cancel each other out). So for goodness' sake, all of you, shut up about it and quit pretending <I>any</I> of you hold the high ground there. This is politics, and you just need to read political writings for the past 200 years to know that this is normal for politics. End of story.<BR/><BR/>Wayne, meanwhile -- you can not, not, <I>NOT</I> portray the murder of Aqsa Pervez as a "Muslim issue" rather than a gender issue.<BR/><BR/>The Muslim situation got ADDED ON in this case, sure. It got added on to what men have been doing to women for millenia. MILLENIA, Wayne. Are you completely unaware of that??<BR/><BR/>Religious and secular men have been murdering uppity women for not letting the men control their bodies for MIL.LEN.I.A.<BR/><BR/>What religions do -- Christianity, Islam, Sikhism, Hinduism -- is give these men the excuse they're looking for. Not only does the divinity condone men controlling women's lives, it DEMANDS that they do.<BR/><BR/>And by god, if those uppity women who require that they be in charge of their own lives and bodies won't bend the knee to their self-appointed male masters -- kill the fuckin' bitches.<BR/><BR/>If this were merely a "Muslim problem" or even, as the CBC is trying to portray it, a "gender gap parent-child culture problem" -- we'd have just as many stories about fathers killing their SONS.<BR/><BR/>WHERE ARE THOSE STORIES, WAYNE?Phylhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11847701912261320347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-41578645703739733292007-12-13T09:02:00.000-05:002007-12-13T09:02:00.000-05:00Scotian,Sorry, but everything you’ve said goes bot...Scotian,<BR/><BR/>Sorry, but everything you’ve said goes both ways - especially ascribing the sins of the entire conservative movement onto my shoulders. If my facts are weak, that doesn’t explain why I get called an asshole, or told to get laid, or have my profession mocked. That’s just for the fun of it, apparently. And if I dare say anything, I’m lambasted for hypocrisy or not being able to take a joke. <BR/><BR/>Forgive me for needing a chair to steady myself when you say <I>conservatives</I> are characterizing the motives of <I>progressives</I>. Are you fucking kidding me? I have been called, inter alia, a racist, bigot, sexist, selfish, stooge of large corporations, dick sucker of George Bush, not to mention being accused of not giving a flying fuck about any group or person for whom I don’t 100% support a fully-funded government-run solution to their plight. None of these things ever addresses the substance or logical argument that underlies what I say. Thery're simply the automatic response generated by my self-identification as a conservative (or to a lesser extent, libertarian) So, if I suggest, for example, generous welfare rates is bad idea because it may actually hurt the poor in the long run, no one stops to say “well actually, here’s why that’s not true”. Rather, I just get called a puppet of the Fraser Institute, and told I’m a selfish asshole who wants to see single moms rot in the gutter. Gee, thanks.<BR/><BR/>Speaking of policing others, how can you reconcile your argument that conservatives have foul mouths with this blog and its attendant commenters? Is it okay for conservatives to blame progressives, and for progressives to blame conservatives, and on we go until the end of time? I fully admit the reason I get angry and blow my stack at progressives sometimes is because I’m stick of being insulted. To which they respond: too bad, you guys started it. It’s the chicken and the egg. And maybe it’s the perverse incentives involved - on either side, blowing off steam is easier and more instantly rewarding that less exciting but more substantive serious discussion - but the fact is, it’s not all the shoulders of conservatives to fix.<BR/><BR/>We must be reading different blogs, because I would have the same argument you did about echo chambers on progressive blogs (and to be fair, I don’t read a lot of conservative blogs.) <BR/><BR/>As for this blog in particular, point taken. But if this blog isn’t supposed to be taken as “representative’ of the entire progressive community, I certainly hope the same rule is applied to conservative bloggers who purport to do the same thing.ALWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00875223933170574566noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-54447215334395657432007-12-13T00:36:00.000-05:002007-12-13T00:36:00.000-05:00Frank — I'm just not willing to invest a lot of th...Frank — I'm just not willing to invest a lot of thought into the twisted rationale of nutjobs whatever the motivation might be for their madness. One day it's "Darwinism"... the next day it's nihilistic anarchism, or Nazism... then it's Islam or... whatever. <BR/><BR/>How about we just say these people are unhinged sociopaths and no one needs to give their "thoughts" any serious consideration whatsoever.Red Toryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00422305796158017027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-45793649673558378612007-12-12T22:27:00.000-05:002007-12-12T22:27:00.000-05:00I can certainly appreciate the notion, RT, as reli...I can certainly appreciate the notion, RT, as religion is by and large, though not exclusively, patriarchal.<BR/><BR/>But I am fairly certain that filicide and matricide transcends religious beliefs.Frank Frinkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05727863730658037306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-69624504938986837112007-12-12T21:46:00.000-05:002007-12-12T21:46:00.000-05:00I can't bear discussing this stuff with stupid Con...I can't bear discussing this stuff with stupid Conservatives anymore.<BR/><BR/>Go to hell, Connies.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-58524655418040234352007-12-12T21:42:00.000-05:002007-12-12T21:42:00.000-05:00And along comes Wayne, another shining example of ...And along comes Wayne, another shining example of pea-brained, pants-wetting, spittle-inflected conservative 'intellect'.<BR/><BR/>I swear, none of these assholes has ever met a Muslim, or actually ever spoken with one without nearly crapping in their pants wih 'fear'. <BR/><BR/>Tell ya' what, Wayne. Here's your homework assignment. When it's complete you can come back and give us your report.<BR/><BR/>a) Identify the passages in the Qu'uran and<BR/>b) Identify the provisions in Sharia law <BR/><BR/>that say it's OK to kil your daughter (or anyone else for that matter) for refusing to wear a hijab.<BR/><BR/>Knock yerself out kid. And while you're at it, please also give us a report on why and how 'Teh Muzzies' and their book are responsible for the <A HREF="http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=Amandeep+Atwal&meta=" REL="nofollow">murder of this BC girl by her father</A>, or <A HREF="http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal_mind/psychology/fathers_who_kill/4.html" REL="nofollow">these white American men who murdered their daughters</A>.<BR/><BR/>I'm almost positive, too, that Islam must also be somehow be responsible for men (of all races and religions) who murder their wives for 'insubordination' and 'defiance'. I'm sure Wayne could explain it for us.<BR/><BR/>Go ahead, knock yerself out.Frank Frinkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05727863730658037306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-14444823232430680882007-12-12T21:21:00.000-05:002007-12-12T21:21:00.000-05:00In many respects isn't religion a "gender issue" a...In many respects isn't religion a "gender issue" as Wayne puts it?Red Toryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00422305796158017027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-33201509664412187172007-12-12T20:34:00.000-05:002007-12-12T20:34:00.000-05:00wayne. listen up. when some puffed up, self righte...wayne. listen up. when some puffed up, self righteous prude waves a bible and declares that an abortion doctor's murder is the will of Jehovah, when a devout church going young man raises his fist and smashes it into the face of his gay victim, when a god fearing father declares that his daughter is his property and that she must submit to his will because to her he is to be considered as god, it does not mean that every christian is a murderous, violent and sexist monster. <BR/><BR/>you are deluded and you have been misled wayne. it is increasingly apparent that you are a simpleton. you parrot what ever pretty line of garbage you are fed, that seems earnest and pleases those you admire. yes wayne there are terrible people that worship allah. just as there are terrible people that worship at every altar of every god and there terrible people that worship no god. wayne, get this into your head. there are terrible people in the world. all of the three major western religions have inspired acts of savagery and each of their major texts can be used to justify some form of vile, crude brutality.<BR/><BR/>evil does not care what hat you wear. evil is not partisan, nor is it secular. but wayne, until you can show evidence of having thought for yourself, analyzing a situation and making a statement that is not cribbed from some sean hannity radio melodrama. i'd personally appreciate it if you would just stop making a fool of yourself.Lindsay Stewarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13461043718147845594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-26145801339542034942007-12-12T20:27:00.000-05:002007-12-12T20:27:00.000-05:00"Human rights should be universal and not being ki...<I>"Human rights should be universal and not being killed because of a archic tribal rule should be considered a basic human right."</I><BR/><BR/>yer talkin' crazy!<BR/><BR/>KEvronKEvronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16732621823124759996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-45009775282878184582007-12-12T19:59:00.000-05:002007-12-12T19:59:00.000-05:00Why do feminists, MSM and progs try to explain awa...Why do feminists, MSM and progs try to explain away honour killings as domestic violence against women or a gender issue? <BR/><BR/>When the the murderers defend their murder by referring to Islam and the Koran and cultural tradition. Why don't you take what they say at face value?<BR/><BR/>Are we as a society not justifing the murders of these women under the guise of respecting the religion and culture of others?<BR/><BR/>Human rights should be universal and not being killed because of a archic tribal rule should be considered a basic human right.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03314603669176202647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-53468506609084194222007-12-12T19:04:00.000-05:002007-12-12T19:04:00.000-05:00Aaron, I've written my own reaction to Aqsa Pervez...Aaron, I've written my own reaction to Aqsa Pervez's murder: <A HREF="http://ddriver.wordpress.com/2007/12/12/" REL="nofollow">Peas in a Pod</A>.<BR/><BR/>I didn't realize, as I was writing it, though, that PSA's link would say it so much better.Phylhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11847701912261320347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-17734621944395165572007-12-12T19:01:00.000-05:002007-12-12T19:01:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Phylhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11847701912261320347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-24925677383737788232007-12-12T18:59:00.000-05:002007-12-12T18:59:00.000-05:00Well, this has turned out to be quite the fun comm...Well, this has turned out to be quite the fun comment thread. I might have to do a few more posts like this ... just as soon as my haz-mat suit comes back from the cleaners.LuLuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03412312541969320536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-85446541839397202132007-12-12T18:51:00.000-05:002007-12-12T18:51:00.000-05:00heh.ti-guy. red tory. pretty shaved ape. i've had ...heh.<BR/><BR/>ti-guy. red tory. pretty shaved ape. i've had dust ups with them and plenty of other like-minded fellows. i don't care how much lipstick you slather on that pig, aaron; your sanctimonious observation is bullshit.<BR/><BR/>KEvronKEvronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16732621823124759996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-45127672273412715842007-12-12T18:42:00.000-05:002007-12-12T18:42:00.000-05:00"how come I'm not seeing any traction about the Pa...<I>"how come I'm not seeing any traction about the Parvez murder in progblogosphere?"</I><BR/><BR/>why am i not seeing posts from you righties about every single murder ever committed? bashing muzzies more interesting than intellectual honesty?<BR/><BR/>KEvronKEvronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16732621823124759996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-92122108383152210982007-12-12T18:36:00.000-05:002007-12-12T18:36:00.000-05:00ALW said "...it'd go a long ways admitting your si...ALW said "...it'd go a long ways admitting your side is fallible too."<BR/><BR/>There's the funny thing. You believe there are *two* sides. Yours (the ideologically conservative?) and er..ours. Except the 'liberals' are notorious for not having a solid 'side'. There are commonalities, of which maybe the most basic is 'hey, is that fair to the most people most of the time - and what about them shoved off to the side there?' (and that will likely be argued), but maybe you've missed spitballs aimed at each other on this 'side' over alleged liberal language, personages, and politics. *People* are fallible, ideologies trebly so.<BR/><BR/>So, what sides are you speaking on? And what sensationalizing of murders of 'gays and women' are you saying should be considered equivalently fallible compared to the tirade offered by FFOF (is that f.off backwards)? Easy words to cast, but what prompted them?Nileshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04096047389811381098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-66104956020571287562007-12-12T18:34:00.000-05:002007-12-12T18:34:00.000-05:00psa gave you the long form, and it was spot on.Her...psa gave you the long form, and it was spot on.<BR/><BR/>Here's the easier to digest sound bite version:<BR/>It's about gender, not religion.Frank Frinkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05727863730658037306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-18654900092417704792007-12-12T18:07:00.000-05:002007-12-12T18:07:00.000-05:00for alw and any other tut- tutter, the reason that...for alw and any other tut- tutter, the reason that you don't see the outrage that you want is because the violent response you seek is part of what you claim to be angry about. another reason is that for a serious discussion of this sort of matter you need to be serious. 5 feet of bile is not that. <BR/><BR/>however if you crave a progressive response, then go <A HREF="http://www.acreativerevolution.ca/node/527" REL="nofollow">here</A> and read. that is the response of a progressive to the tragic fate of the young woman whose abusive father took her life. we will not celebrate any wrongful death but neither will we make a villain of every member of every culture that generates a criminal. because then we are all condemned.<BR/><BR/>pale has some words you should read aaron, you want a progressive response, there it is. invite the bitter and scabrous hate gnome to go along with you. when you finish reading you can roll up your sanctimony and insert it.Lindsay Stewarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13461043718147845594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-48278445096235207772007-12-12T17:40:00.000-05:002007-12-12T17:40:00.000-05:00Holy crap. I finally found a photo of her (heh, he...Holy crap. I finally found a photo of her (heh, heh). It's posted at my place. Alas, I can't remember how to post a link.¢rÄbG®äŠŠhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16307684311454262849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-67266591743773695862007-12-12T17:21:00.000-05:002007-12-12T17:21:00.000-05:00ALW: Although I did find it funny that Joanne show...ALW: Although I did find it funny that Joanne showed up to "scold" you about painting with a broad brush:<BR/><BR/><I>Joanne (True Blue) said... <BR/>[...]<BR/><BR/>As is painting all Conservative bloggers for the actions of one, but you seem to have bought into it. ;)<BR/><BR/>(She's no longer on the blogroll anyway, right?)</I>counter-coulterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01942904236425440011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-63496505985622755312007-12-12T17:05:00.000-05:002007-12-12T17:05:00.000-05:00Ti-guy: You’re a hypocrite!How so? I'm not over a...<I>Ti-guy: You’re a hypocrite!</I><BR/><BR/>How so? I'm not over at your blog trying to start fights with you.<BR/><BR/>...gave that up long ago. As I've said, I can handle BT bloggers, but I can't handle swimming in the fetid swamps of their comment sections. Last time I did, I got a <I>candida</I> infection.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-60233735363714801822007-12-12T17:04:00.000-05:002007-12-12T17:04:00.000-05:00ALW:You get "piled on" not because you are a conse...ALW:<BR/><BR/>You get "piled on" not because you are a conservative, but because you make weak and unsupported arguments and expect them to be treated as proven fact. What you fail to recognize is that the vast majority of anger in the progressive community regarding modern conservatives is that they have decided to be entitled to not just their own opinions (which is fine) but their own facts (which is not) especially when it comes to characterizing the motives of progressives, what they write/say, and in terms of believing unsupported myths like liberal media bias, liberal conspiracies in the judiciary and bureaucracy out to get Harper/Conservatives.<BR/><BR/>Start making intellectually honest arguments based on actual facts and you may still get argued with but you will get argued with on the substance instead of simply being dismissed as you currently are. Not to mention this fixation of the BTs to police the language and principles of progressives yet refuse to apply the same standards to their own side. If you are going to claim the moral right to police others like this you had first better have your own house in order first, which is especially true where language and civility use is concerned.<BR/><BR/>Sorry Aaron, you are comparing apples and shrimp when you try to make this argument. Incidentally, it is not an echo chamber here or on most progressive blogs, I have seen and been a part of myself many disagreements with the substance of other progressives, yet we manage to disagree in a respectful manner instead of with loving comments like leftards, moonbats, etc. I do not see the same sort of dissent on Conservative blogs (those that allow comments to begin with) and more than a few times when I have seen dissent it has been subsequently edited/deleted by the blog owner instead of simply replied to. So your arguments here fail yet again.<BR/><BR/>Deal with it honestly or expect more of the same, it really is that simple. BTW, I used to be far more Conservative politically, it took the Harper CPC to drive me this far over to the "left", and I know I am far from the only one in this country. Your CPC is doing to the Canadian political spectrum what the GOP has done to the American one, moved so far to the right that it has caused center right to now be center left, and that isn't because we have moved it is because the CPC has.<BR/><BR/>BTW Aaron, this particular blog has gone out of its way to make clear that this is a blog for ridiculing and mockery of Conservatives that are unwilling/unable to argue honestly, so coming here and then complaining of such treatment being the norm here and that this is representative of progressive blogs generally despite that stated position of the blog owner is exceptionally disingenuous.Scotianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06284856315992405261noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6708375.post-43146778475347280172007-12-12T17:03:00.000-05:002007-12-12T17:03:00.000-05:00ALW said... Thanks for making up an opinon for meY...<I>ALW said... <BR/>Thanks for making up an opinon for me</I><BR/><BR/>You're the one throwing around the "culture wars" line right there with all the neo-cons. How about defining what is meant by this supposed war and answering the questions that I posed and a little less of the <I>tu quoque</I>?counter-coulterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01942904236425440011noreply@blogger.com