Monday, December 15, 2008

Wingnut welfare and pearl clutching: a match made in heaven.


Commenter "Josef" is miffed:

Oh and to the nutjob who wrote "Welfare wingnut" about Tasha Kheirddin [sic], ... They worked their way to the top, especially Tasha. I would appreciate it greatly if you clowns/jerks/yahoos apologized.

And I quote:

Kheiriddin was the Ontario director for the Canadian Taxpayers Federation for several years before returning to Quebec to join the Montreal Economic Institute, a free-market think tank. She currently works as the director for Quebec in the Montreal office of the Fraser Institute.

I couldn't come up with a better example of wingnut welfare if you threatened me with Ann Coulter's dick.

144 comments:

thwap said...

You nailed it.

Josef said...

No, you didn't 'nail it'.

Those organizations Tasha has given her heart, soul and time to are propped up by... wait for it... individuals who support the ideals of those organizations and need to organize and have leaders to fight for them. NO gov't grants for the Fraser, the IEDM or the Canadian Taxpayers Federation.

BTW, I am a card-carrying Yankee member of the Fraser Institute.

Oh and welfare is defined as "financial or other assistance to an individual or family from a city, state, or national government". You mind telling me what governmental organization is propping my Tasha up? On the other hand, the left has the "Human Rights" councils and financial support for political parties.

CC said...

Dear Josef:

Please take the time to learn the meaning of "wingnut welfare" so you don't sound this fucking stupid for the rest of your life.

Thank you for your prompt attention to this matter.

thwap said...

Yeah, the "Fraser Institute," where the illiterate Mike Harris is a "Senior Fellow" (he sends in his "studies" written in crayon).

Of course you can't see how debased these institutions are; you're mired deep in the filth yourself.

Josef said...

"Please take the time to learn the meaning of "wingnut welfare""

Inform me, if you would please you wingnut. Senator-to-be Kheiriddin is probably going to be very amused.

Josef said...

"Yeah, the "Fraser Institute," where the illiterate Mike Harris is a "Senior Fellow" (he sends in his "studies" written in crayon)."

You have no class. Mike Harris couldn't possibly be illiterate. He was a successful Premier of Ontario and a Hell Of A Guy.

Also a Senior Fellow at Fraser: Brian Tobin

Now, you want to continue your propaganda disinformation projection campaign?

Námo Mandos said...

Wingnut Welfare is a system of benefits and sinecures given by right-wing movements to relatively incompetent and idiotic parrots whose writing would never pass review in any serious venue, but whose talent at obfuscation and spreading confusion are greatly valued by special interests*.

Some of the money comes from an army of dupes and dittoheads who don't mind being bilked to support a system whose ultimate purpose is to immiserate them, and the rest comes from people who are planning to immiserate them.

*By which I mean the small minority of people who benefit the most from exploiting the population.

Does that help, Josef?

buckets said...

Ann Coulter's dick. Great. Now I have to stab out my mind's eye.

Námo Mandos said...

Mike Harris' main talent was using his position to destroy the social infrastructure of Ontario in exactly the way a giant, petulant 2-year-old might do it.

We are still recovering from the damage.

Josef said...

Námo Mandos, thank you for using big words. Frankly, I feel there is such a thing as wingnut welfare now that I have Googled the term... but I don't think you'll like my answer... try Human Rights Commissions, unions (like the UAW) and Think Progress and all other think tanks that exist at least partially and permanently on government dole.

The Fraser exists as an independent think tank not needing but welcoming rich donors as does the CTF. Apprently, you do not like freedom, eh?

Josef said...

Námo Mandos @ 3:06 PM, now that's an intelligent comment. No need, you all, to call Tasha a slut or welfare bum, you know?

Just focus on policy, eh?

Námo Mandos said...

It's sort of like the "Holy" "Roman" "Empire".

"Independent" "Think" "Tank".

Námo Mandos said...

It's always been the case that some of the sheep happily defray the cost of leading themselves to the slaughterhouse.

"Independent" my foot. That "indepedent" is just the greatest special interest of all.

Josef said...

Námo Mandos, then why you not define independent?

Is independence to you anarchy, all going their own way?

Or is independent a group of individuals gathering to form a posse to defend freedom for all working as a team?

Also, the Fraser Institute does not take marching orders from the Conservative Party of Canada nor the American GOP nor the Australian Liberal Party. I know you don't like what Harris did to Ontario and I understand, but the vitrol here towards frankly a good contact of mine bothers me a great deal.

Frank Frink said...

but the vitrol here towards frankly a good contact of mine bothers me a great deal.

Go ahead, be 'bothered a great deal'. Where did you get the idea that your 'bother' might be of any concern?

Ti-Guy said...

As far as welfare wingnuts go, Kheriddin isn't the worst. She at least isn't insensate enough to utter the outrageous lies the rest of the Conservative intelligentsia try to get away with.

But the Reagan-Thatcher revolution is definitely over and it's time for the free market cheerleaders and assorted enfants terribles to start looking critically at the systemic weaknesses (especially corporatism) that keep us from attaining libertarian utopia.

Josef said...

"Go ahead, be 'bothered a great deal'. Where did you get the idea that your 'bother' might be of any concern?"

It's the personal attacks calling somebody I know who just married a slut and welfare bum I have a problem with. I have a problem with liberals doing it and I have a problem with conservatives doing it. It's wrong, but not illegal. Unless, that is, you live in the HRC world of no such thing as free speech.

Josef said...

Ti-Guy, thank you. She's a true Maverick!

liberal supporter said...

Doesn't the Fraser Institute have charitable status?

LuLu said...

Dear Josef:

Please point out where anyone but you referred to Kheiriddin as a "slut". And yes, an actual link would be just awesome.

Thanks bunches,
LuLu

Josef said...

LuLu, go HERE and read for yourself.

liberal supporter, you're right. So what?

CC said...

Actually, LuLu, Cherniak_WTF -- in a comment on that earlier post, wrote"

"Tasha is a joke that will slut herself out to any media in Montreal especially the CBC for some reason...

Given CWTF's careful use of language, I don't think that qualifies. Nice try though, Josef.

Josef said...

CC, I didn't come on this blog until today. And saying somebody will act like a slut is calling them a slut, period.

Apologize and pardon my sarcasm but I might go away back to my Conservative Cavern with the life-size cutout of PMSH, HOAG Harris and my evil Romulan plot to Xerox Tasha Kheiriddin.

Frank Frink said...

And saying somebody will act like a slut is calling them a slut, period.

No, it's not. And that's not what was said, either. So, try again.

Frank Frink said...

Ti-Guy, thank you. She's a true Maverick!

You mean like John McCain? Or Gov. Mooseburgers?

I don't think 'maverick' is the word you're looking for...

Josef said...

Frank Frink, then what was said?

Tasha acts like a slut?

Tasha is a slut?

Tasha is photogenic?

liberal supporter said...

To "slut" oneself would be the same as to prostitute oneself. Definition 5

To willingly use his or her talent or ability in a base and unworthy way, usually for money.

Ti-Guy said...

I don't think 'maverick' is the word you're looking for...

Yeah. "True believer" is more like it.

After all, she wrote a letter of congratulations to Margaret Thatcher at age 8.

*shudder*

David said...

Uhhh, I'm pretty sure that 'slutting oneself out' to a media outlet is not quite implying the same thing that Josef wishes - i.e., that Tasha is sexually permissive or 'loose'.

But Josef already knows that.

Josef said...

In this case, well was said by Winston Churchill, "Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense."

Good sense tells me you think Conservateurs are the devil incarnate. You believe we who believe in free markets, free speech, freedom of assocation, free press and free enterprise believe in either nothing or evil - like my kid brother who is frankly hopeless. All I ask is you watch THIS and think for yourselves. Oh and remember... we conservatives are fighting the human rights clowncils that want to regulate blogs and the fairness doctrine that wants to regulate talk radio... so you don't have to!

Josef said...

David, I do. But to totally disrespect political conviction is wrong. Tasha's got political conviction like her hero Thatcher and her colleague Mike Harris.

psa said...

josef, buddy, put the pearls down. your little clutching fingers are going to seize. the fraser institute and intellectual brothel managed to generate $6.9 million in revenue in 2004, with 62% coming from "charitable foundations", 25% from corporations and rest from individuals. any association with the villainously stupid mike harris is suspect. the fraser institute generates ideological tripe to feed to fools and prop up otherwise indefensible policy notions. tasha kheiriddin cashes their cheques and thus receives wingnut welfare. it is what they do. ow stop crying josef, your heroic tasha is an ideogical ho, she takes money for spitting out the bad idea of the moment.

Josef said...

psa
And 0 percent from government. All donors donated by choice!!!!!!!!
You have zilch respect for difference of opinion!!!!!!!
People like you need Supine Dion and Jack Layton to think for you!!!!!!

Josef said...

psa... "The Fraser Institute is an independent non-profit organization with no affiliations to any political party. We depend entirely on contributions from thousands of individuals, organizations, and foundations. We also generate revenue from Institute events, the sale of publications, and from interest on invested endowment funds."
SOURCE

LuLu said...

Dear Josef:

Would you like us to haul out the fainting couch for you? Typing all those exclamation points must be sooooooooo exhausting.

Yours in perpetual amusement,
LuLu

Ti-Guy said...

Lemme guess: Josef thinks the best book ever written was Atlas Shrugged.

ws: "cruolest" Gosh, everything's illiterate these days!

Frank Frink said...

Ummmmm... Josef, this isn't the first time any of us have heard of the Fraser Institute or any of the other circle-jerking organization. Many of us have actually been digging a little deeper and peaking behind the curtain for some time.

Like here and here. Just two that come off the top of my head.

Ok? Now try talking to us without patronizing us. Think you can do that?

wv = (I swear to deity) "unbal"

Josef said...

Frank Frink, it's the profanity that invites patronizing. Now if you said the free market has failed and here's how, then we can have an intelligent discussion.

But like I said, "Good sense tells me you think Conservateurs are the devil incarnate. You believe we who believe in free markets, free speech, freedom of assocation, free press and free enterprise believe in either nothing or evil". I know your side of the aisle too well... I used to be one of you. Then I thought for me instead of groupthink.

Paladiea said...

Concern Troll is concerned...

Really why pay this fool any attention? We have facts to prove that the Frasier Institute is a whitewash job for Conservative propaganda, and nothing else. The fact that Conservative pool their resources to further their agenda is the very definition of welfare.

Josef said...

Ti-Guy, the best book ever written... hmmmm.... hmmm.... so many to choose from. I guess the best one is the next one I read cover-to-cover. The next-to-best one is the book I just finished reading again Right Side Up.

Josef said...

"We have facts to prove that the Frasier Institute is a whitewash job for Conservative propaganda, and nothing else."
Yeah, because they believe in small-c conservative principles.

"The fact that Conservative pool their resources to further their agenda is the very definition of welfare."
Okay and what are unions? What are organizations that take government grants to push left-wing views? What are political parties that create chaos because they still want their government subsidy?

Paladiea said...

Okay and what are unions?

Organizations that advocate for workers.

What are organizations that take government grants to push left-wing views?


Such as?

What are political parties that create chaos because they still want their government subsidy?

Political parties.

Aren't definitions fun?

Frank Frink said...

Oh my, profanity. Heavens! Quick, to the fainting couch. These people use bad werds.

You might allow yourself some time to peruse the archives here since, as you say, this is your first visit. Then maybe you wouldn't be acting all surprised and shocked.

Josef said...

Paladiea:

Unions good, free market advocates bad. Okay, makes you a Dipper.

Left-wing organizations that take government grants? Try the Trudeau Foundation, Think Progress and Social Sciences and Humanities Research Council for starters.

Oh and the political party that didn't want a subsidy - the Conservatives - didn't want to rip up the country, it was the Bloc, NDP and Liberals that did.

Frank Frink said...

the Conservatives - didn't want to rip up the country

So, instead Harper ramps up the rhetoric that indeed fan the flames of divisiveness. Poured a little fuel on it, too. But, of course he didn't mean to do that.

And actually, ripping up the country (i.e. balkanization of Canada) is part of the agenda, and has always been.

Again, try talking to us without the patronization.

(This one is too funny) wv = "khanship"

Josef said...

Frank Frink, with the exception of that crazy flag comment, what do you think PMSH should have done and said? Well was said, "don't listen to what politicians say, watch what they do."

liberal supporter said...

Ti-Guy, the best book ever written... hmmmm.... hmmm.... so many to choose from. I guess the best one is the next one I read cover-to-cover. The next-to-best one is the book I just finished reading again Right Side Up.

Josef, the greatest book ever written is the Bible. I shouldn't have to point that out to you. What kind of fake conservative are you?


"Good sense tells me you think Conservateurs are the devil incarnate. You believe we who believe in free markets, free speech, freedom of assocation, free press and free enterprise believe in either nothing or evil".

You are conflating the views of radical neocons with traditional conservatism. You seem to be singing from the neocon book, I don't see a really conservative viewpoint. You would be surprised to find how many here do hold conservative (NOT neocon) views. Though not all.

Like the communist who says they have freedom from having to decide anything, your idea of freedom mainly involves freedom to exploit whoever you can, and their freedom to be kicked to the curb to die.

Your attempt to wrap yourself in "free markets" is hypocritical. The closest thing we have to a truly free market is the drug trade. There is a constant ebb and flow of the various players in that market. Inefficient players are killed, efficient players prosper until someone else decides to take over their market by murder. When there is plenty, everyone gets along. When there is not, they tear each other apart.

Most who claim to be for free markets only like it as long as they are a big player. Despite claiming to be pro-free market, everyone tries to grow and push other players aside so they can charge the proverbial monopoly rents. When displaced, they go crying to government that the other guys are cheating or otherwise need regulation. The preferred government for many faux free market types is a police state. Then you just have to pay off the leaders of said state and you can run roughshod over anyone.

Our system of a regulated free market is designed to gain the benefits of the entrepreneurial spirit, while dampening the end game. Free marketers tend to grow by acquisition, so the near end game is two major players fighting for monopoly control. The end game is inefficient monopoly, which ironically is exactly where communists end up. A system that has the effect of pruning back this tendency results in the most robust growth. Keep things in the earlier stages. But that requires regulation, and many business people, especially those who have run out of ideas, would rather be in the monopoly position.



I know your side of the aisle too well... I used to be one of you. Then I thought for me instead of groupthink.
I am sure you are most concerned.

I too think for me more than what you call "groupthink". However, I support a system where nobody is simply kicked to the curb. I believe that our system of redistributing wealth is actually cheaper for me than having to live in an armed camp and providing my own security. I can walk freely in most places in Canada and I do not have to step over dying diseased people. I do not have to travel with a heavily armed security detail to buy a loaf of bread.

Paladiea said...

Left-wing organizations that take government grants? Try the Trudeau Foundation, Think Progress and Social Sciences and Humanities Research Council for starters.

And exactly what do these organizations do? Are they "think tanks"?

The Trudeau Foundation is a scholarship program. The Humanities Research council and Think Progress aren't even in Canada. You know Canada? The country we live in?

Oh and the political party that didn't want a subsidy - the Conservatives - didn't want to rip up the country, it was the Bloc, NDP and Liberals that did.

The Conservatives still get a subsidy, the tax refund that people get when they donate to political parties.

Funny how you don't mention that too much eh? Why wouldn't the Conservatives get rid of that if they're so against "subsidies".

Oh and by the way, the free market is bad because it doesn't work. Period. It will never work. Ever.

Mike said...

Josef do you suffer from Asperger's Syndrome? I mean, its clear that you cannot understand sarcasm and metaphor or even a bit of satire. You take words literal meanings out of context, and rage at something the writer was not talking about.

Either that or you are a lying sack of crap.

Oh look a Fraser Institute member who tries to prove the Fraser Institute is "independent" by linking back to...the Fraser Institute.

Lying sack of crap it is. Or incredibly stupid.

So, Asperger's then?

Oh and before you get all huffy, I am a libertarian - a real libertarian, not a vulgar shill for corporate welfare and government regulations to help "our side". I believe in a totally free market, not the kind of "free market" the Fraser Institute strives for (despite what Tiguy says) - lots of laws and regulations to get rid of unions and environmental concerns, but lots of subsidies for their patrons.

That is 'corporatist'. Do you know another name for 'corporatist' Josef? Google it.

Josef said...

liberal supporter, at 6:12 PM

Good on ya to make me stop and think. I am a libertarian and slightly Jewish.

That said, nice to see the discussion turn to ideology. I do believe in a safety net, but not in handouts. In other words, the idea of welfare should be to make you better - not keep you downtrodden/equal.

I am anti-monopoly, myself. And I play Monopoly good. The idea should be to do your best, maximize profit, pay your taxes and give a little more to charity like soldiers' charity, political groups, homeless assistance and the like.

Of course, we need government to provide infrastructure for freedom - read soldiers, first responders and a public education system with choice. But government should not prop up political parties (e.g. Liberals), big businesses (e.g. GM) or think thanks (e.g. Fraser, which doesn't need gov't help).

Josef said...

"Josef do you suffer from Asperger's Syndrome? I mean, its clear that you cannot understand sarcasm and metaphor or even a bit of satire. You take words literal meanings out of context, and rage at something the writer was not talking about."

You betcha I do. I still find the word slut offensive. So should you.

Somena Woman said...

You know what the real irony is? The Fraser Institute isn't really "free market".

Or at least they are -- but they are opposed to the idea of Aboriginal People in Canada setting up Honk Kong like "free-trade zones" across Canada on Indian Reserves.

I know this for a fact.

On the other hand, the AIMS and Frontier Center were actually willing to consider the proposition. I would suggest Josef, that if you really want to support a free-market think-tank, that you avoid Mercantalist Think-Tanks like the Fraser Institute - and instead send your donations to AIMS or The Frontier Center. Then it would actually go towards promoting the free-market.

Josef said...

Paladiea, well the Social Sciences and Humanities Research Council and Trudeau Foundation are financiers of left-wing thought. Versus the political science department of the U of Calgary.

Also, there is the Canadian Policy Research Networks and the Policy Research Initiative - also left-wing and gov't funded.

Josef said...

Somena Woman... hmmmm... I'm intrigued.

Mike, also, "I am a libertarian - a real libertarian, not a vulgar shill for corporate welfare and government regulations to help "our side". I believe in a totally free market, not the kind of "free market" the Fraser Institute strives for (despite what Tiguy says) - lots of laws and regulations to get rid of unions and environmental concerns, but lots of subsidies for their patrons."

SO AM I. NO AUTO BAILOUT, NO CORPORATE SUBSIDY.

Yes, free markets.
Yes, free trade.
Yes, flat & fair taxation - no more damn pigenhole loopholes dude. That's my philosophy.
Also yes, regulation to protect the environment. Tasha Kheiriddin is an environmentalist.

Paladiea said...

Uh I wasn't aware that "social studies and "humanities" was "left wing thought. Learning is never politically motivated

Unless you're not concerned with how humans behave as a group or art in general.

Whereas the Frasier institute is specifically designed to release "reports" that back up Conservative talking points and that they can lean on.

Apples and oranges. Try again.

Somena Woman said...

PS to Josef,

You will find that the readers and commenters at this blog are not blind ideologues. They are actually very well read and more than prepared to honestly discuss things. At heart, I am an anarcho-libertarian... because I embrace the principles of the free market 100% - as opposed to the mixed-market Bismarkian socialist stuff that you are all for propping up.

I believe that if a principle is correct, you shouldn't prop it up with half-measures and dilute it with inconsistencies. I am, (based on how you have described your beliefs) a much more consistently dedicated free-marketer than you are, and I absolutely relish my friends here at CC. They are good folks. I don't agree with them on much - but they are more fun to hang out with than the partisan hacks and screaming ideologues.

Red Tory said...

Conservateurs? My, how pretentious.

Josef said...

Paladiea, at 6:37 PM - I get my information from, in all fairness, Rescuing Canada's Right - pages 60-62. They get some of their stuff from the CBC, like THIS and poured over the Trudeau Foundation records.

Okay Somena Woman :-).

KEvron said...

tasha is a welfare whore. that is all.

KEvron

KEvron said...

"And saying somebody will act like a slut is calling them a slut, period."

tasha acts like a slut.

KEvron

Paladiea said...

They get some of their stuff from the CBC, like THIS and poured over the Trudeau Foundation records.

You're not going to get an argument from me that more oversight is needed concerning our money, but to argue that both institutions are doing the same thing is being disingenuous.

Somena Woman said...

Josef,

If you are intrigued - visit my blog and look up the articles I wrote for the National Post and the Winnipeg Free Press on the idea of revitalizing Coast Salish free market economics via the establishment of free-zones on Indian reserves which would allow all people who visited the opportunity to benefit from the tax exemptions currently in place for Aboriginals. There is no word or concept for tax or tarriff, embargo or protectionism in the Coast Salish language or culture.

My ancestors were fabulously wealthy traders. I think that my community has the right to enjoy the same economic freedoms that my ancestors enjoyed - and I proposed as such in my working paper on the Free Zone in 2000.

The only "free-market" think tank that out and out rejected the concept was the Fraser Institute. That's a fact.

Red Tory said...

It would be interesting to know what Mr. Free Markets does for a living. He seems to have told everyone a ton of information about his beliefs, his ethnic background (slightly Jewish) and so on. I'm quite curious about his occupation...

Paladiea said...

Sorry that should be "you're not going to get an argument from me by saying that more oversight..."

KEvron said...

"It would be interesting to know what Mr. Free Markets does for a living."

plumber.

KEvron

Josef said...

Try CEO of a small company.

I alt-tab arguing with you blokes because I've known Tasha for two years and wasn't going to let this stand.

KEvron is a moron from San Fran.

KEvron said...

"KEvron is a moron from San Fran."

you're only half right.

and at least i don't act like a welfare slut, like some whores i know.

KEvron

Wayne said...

Josef: you have entered the 1984 like blog land of doublespeak, where snark is used to score cheap political points, you cannot win.

KEvron said...

lol! shall we dredge up some of your past submissions, wayne?

KEvron

Wayne said...

"past submissions" of when you brought me to submission? :)

Cherniak_WTF said...

Joseph, maybe I should have called her a slut - would that make you happier?

It would be nice if tasha was identified as a connie when she appears in the media instead of trying to pass herself off as a neutral party... just saying...

As for the Fraser Institute:
The Fraser Institute has sought and received funding from several tobacco companies, including Rothmans, British American Tobacco and Philip Morris, according to a 2000 letter found in the tobacco industry documents.[4]

In 2003 Fraser Institute income was $6,620,038. In its annual report it discloses that 52% was from unspecified foundations, 38% from unspecified "organizations" (presumably corporations) and only 10% from individuals.

"During the year, the Institute approached prospective donors to support over 50 specific projects including student seminars, teachers’ workshops, the elementary and secondary school report cards, environmental studies, aboriginal studies, globalization studies, global warming and the Kyoto Protocol, fiscal studies, economic freedom, managing risk and regulation, pharmaceutical and health care studies, CANSTATS, and democratic reform," it states in its 2003 annual report. [5]

While ExxonMobil discloses in it annual statements that it contributed $60,000 to the organisation to work on "Climate Change", the Fraser Institute does not explicitly disclose the contribution. [6]

According to Media Transparency between 1985 and 2003 the Fraser Institute has received 30 grants totalling $ 403,301 (unindexed for inflation) from the following U.S. foundations:

Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation
Sarah Scaife Foundation
Charles G. Koch Family Foundation
Claude R. Lambe Charitable Foundation
John M. Olin Foundation
Carthage Foundation [7]

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As for the Montreal Economic institute is funny how many of them work for public institutions such as universities....

Red Tory said...

Josef — What industry/type of company?

Námo Mandos said...

"Independent", by the way, is a propaganda word that has no meaning. Everything is funded by something.

Some things happen to be funded by the very flawed object in which we all have *some* kind of limited stake, at least: the government.

Other things happen to be funded by---and if not funded by, serve---much narrower interests. On occasion, those interests are just, in that they promote the common good, and offer redress to those left behind.

And on other occasions, they serve narrow interests that are not suffering, and are not improving the lot of the common good. Instead, they defend the excess of a few, and offer financial support to those willing to obfuscate the truth on their behalf. The Fraser Institute is a classic case of this.

By this standard, it is less "independent" than the others. If those in its employ had the skill to do real research rather than propaganda, they wouldn't be working for the Fraser Institute. That's welfare.

Josef said...

Josef — What industry/type of company?

Information management/research/IT

Josef said...

Namo Mandos, great first two sentences. The rest is crap.


Cherniak_WTF said... well nothing intelligent. Actually, what Cherniak_WTF said was ignorant - nothing compels anybody to support Fraser. Nothing. But when gov't gets involved, that is compulsion. Tasha Kheiriddin has held fast to her beliefs all her life and served in promoting those beliefs, like a good politician, like Pierre Elliott Trudeau (forgive me, tasha), John Howard and Ronald Reagan. Those are my points.

KEvron said...

"maybe I should have called her a slut - would that make you happier?"

works for me.

KEvron

Josef said...

Oh and while on the subject of welfare you all... is it welfare to be a MP and to also demand that most of your political party's ops be funded by the taxpayer or else... Of course it is, except to you blokes.

Now, if that isn't doublespeak, then what is? Thanks Wayne!

KEvron said...

"nothing compels anybody to support Fraser."

the charge wasn't leveled at fraser. it was leveled at that slut. try to stay focused.

KEvron

KEvron said...

"Of course it is, except to you blokes."

then why'd you ask?

KEvron

KEvron said...

"Information management/research/IT"

you peddle wifi?

KEvron

Wayne said...

Is "moonbat welfare" being given a paid position at the UN, or a HRC?

Those at the Fraser Institute do real research that is always right.

KEvron said...

"real research that is always right."

wow. just.... wow.

he's on your side, josef.

KEvron

Frank Frink said...

Those at the Fraser Institute do real research that is always right.

Ummmm, Wayne... have anything that backs up both of those two claims - i.e. 'real' reasearch & always 'right'?

And do you mean 'right' as in correct or 'right' as in ideology?

(Oy! This keeps getting better) wv = "conco"

Námo Mandos said...

It's so easy to say that all the rest is crap. But it's still the case that the Fraser Institute's purpose is to pay people who have no other talent but to lead us to our ruin.

Josef said...

Wayne is a godsend.

Cherniak_WTF said...

Those at the Fraser Institute do real research that is always right.
Except that it's rarely supported by the facts....

Hey Josept, are you fucking tasha?

Tasha Kheiriddin has held fast to her beliefs all her life and served in promoting those beliefs,
It must be nice to be unencumbered by reality....

I

KEvron said...

"Wayne is a godsend"

is that code for "fellow troll", wifi guy?

KEvron

KEvron said...

"Hey Josept, are you fucking tasha?"

she's not that much of a slut.

KEvron

Josef said...

"Is "moonbat welfare" being given a paid position at the UN, or a HRC?"

Hell, yes. G*d bless you!!

KEvron is not worthy of responding to. Tasha is not a slut, nobody is compelled to support her espousing and advocating for her views and she just married a pundit for cryin' out loud. You just can't say that about Jack Layton, Gilles Duceppe or Michael Ignatieff.

KEvron said...

"Tasha Kheiriddin has held fast to her beliefs all her life and served in promoting those beliefs"

so did hitler.

KEvron

Josef said...

Cherniak_WTF - cold shoulder for you from the YouTuber who is TashaKheiriddinFan.

Námo Mandos said...

For the record I'm not a big fan of sexually-loaded terminology as I try to have a mouth as clean as falling snow :), but around here I'm also very unlikely to change anyone's mind on that front.

KEvron said...

" G*d bless you!!"

and yet "godsend". phoney much?

KEvron

Cherniak_WTF said...

Hey the "slut" works for McGill university - I always thought that universities were the bastion of left-wing professors.... maybe she likes the union there....

KEvron said...

"around here I'm also very unlikely to change anyone's mind on that front."

get fucked.

btw, who the hell is tasha kheiriddin?

KEvron

Cherniak_WTF said...

btw, who the hell is tasha kheiriddin?
A Welfare Wingnut recipient...

KEvron said...

"A Welfare Wingnut recipient"

g*ddam slut!

KEvron

psa said...

wayne as godsend! just... golly gosh! a developmentally delayed match made in heaven. thanks for the laughter.

KEvron said...

i feel kinda bad for guys like josef, psa, who get stuck having to pretend to pal up to dopes like wayne. it's hard werk, being a wingnut.

KEvron

KEvron said...

century post!

KEvron

Josef said...

Keep talking. Wayne is a great blogger and man.

KEvron said...

says the plumber....

KEvron

Red Tory said...

Rather casual use of the word "great" I'd say.

Josef said...

Cherniak_WTF said...
Hey the "slut" works for McGill university - I always thought that universities were the bastion of left-wing professors.... maybe she likes the union there....

Tasha's the token Conservative, there to lecture about conservatism. She is NOT a slut, except in your leftarded, retarted, anti-feminist, anti-freedom mind.

Red Tory said...

What a tiresome discussion this has evolved into.

KEvron said...

this thread ended the same way it started. josef's indignation is as contrived as his appreciation.

KEvron

Red Tory said...

The perfect circle of phoniness.

KEvron said...

"The perfect circle of phoniness."

"ceo", no less! and whaddaya know, he's the janitor, too....

KEvron

Ti-Guy said...

What a tiresome discussion this has evolved into.

When is a discussion with Reagan youth ever not tiresome?

Information management/research/IT

Josef: Have you ever done any work identifying and exploiting emergent synergies?

KEvron said...

or time cubes?

KEvron

Josef said...

not interested in a clusterfuck.

Just leave Tasha alone, okay?

And yes, I am CEO of a sole proprietorship.

Josef said...

My company provides tech support to law firms and local governments, especially in regard to regulations. Helps enforce my libertarian streak.

Like I said though:
a) Stop bashing the Tasha
b) I'm bugging out before I become somebody's bitch.

KEvron said...

tasha takes what i give her and likes it.

KEvron

KEvron said...

"I am CEO of a sole proprietorship."

who isn't?!

KEvron

Frank Frink said...

Oh noes! Is this like that 'Leave Britney Alone' Video? I can almost smell the tears of Josef.

"Leeeeeeeeaaaaave Tasha Alooooooone!"

b) I'm bugging out before I become somebody's bitch.

Too fucking late for that. You were a made bitch the moment you walked in.

Josef said...

Frank, it's the "I will kick your ass for sport you clusterfucking schoolyard bully dickhead" kind of video. Last warning, pal.

Just got tipped off at the latest. Civility toggle off, buddy.

You wanna mess with me fine. Mess with the Tash, not a good idea. She worked to get to the commanding heights and by this time next week if you don't call her Senator, you might want to train in the Iraqi Shoe-Throwing Championships. Or the Iraqi track team.

Wayne said...

You got it.

I'm always right, correct Frank.:)

Way to stick up for Tasha, Josef.

KEvron said...

"Leeeeeeeeaaaaave Tasha Alooooooone!"

the runny mascara was a nice touch.

KEvron

Josef said...

Thanks Wayne :-).

KEvron said...

"if you don't call her Senator"

then i'll call her a slut?

KEvron

wv = "spingt". it's don martin written all over it.

Frank Frink said...

Last warning, pal.

Yawwwwwwwwwwn.

Last warning? I'm fucking quaking in my boots. Not.

KEvron said...

yeah, "last warning", along with "i'm outta here".

KEvron

the rev. paperboy said...

118 comments? I smell wingnut trollery. And scanning the comments I can see that Josef is busy proving every single negative thing we've ever said about the Fraser Institute is 100% correct.

liberal supporter said...

When did she become "The Tash"?

I always laugh at the right wingers trying to be all chivalrous and stuff defending some right wing woman from being mocked. Reminds me of "east of eden" over at hunter's!


But actually, I think Josef is just a shill for the "draft the tash" faction trying to get her in the Senate. You see, he is hoping to get the stereotypical shrieking lefties shrieking louder about her than anyone else, making her a "shoe" in.

LuLu said...

Oh. My. God.

Don't you guys have anything better to do besides kicking Josef and Wayne around? It's obvious neither of them is wearing their helmets.

psa said...

josef and wayne, the ideologue jam.

Frank Frink said...

Don't you guys have anything better to do

I'm waiting for tapioca and showgirls. Should be here any minute now.

Besides, between aging stripper-clad popera divas and a prolonged Luongo-less Canucks team I haven't had this much fun lately.

LuLu said...

Poor Frank ;-)

Frank Frink said...

No poor me in this. I get tapioca and showgirls in less than an hour. Aren't you paying attention?!?! ;-)

Ti-Guy said...

Don't you guys have anything better to do besides kicking Josef and Wayne around?

Oh, Josef's enjoying this. And I'd be surprised to find out that Wayne even knows he's on a computer.

liberal supporter said...

Is the objective to prevent the evil lefties from filling the vacancies after the Harper junta is deposed?

Supposedly they must agree to step down when the elected Senate is instituted. So they are effectively placeholders until then. You might think of them as cock blockers.

If this is is their sole function, to fill the spaces, then I am sure they will also agree to decline the payment and pension. After all, to join a body that they deem useless would make them also useless, unless they are simply place holders. And as simple place holders, would it not be morally wrong to accept the pay and pension?

Otherwise, joining an operation whose function you fundamentally disagree with, and receiving money for it, would make one a prostitute, no?

Will "The Tash" agree that if appointed to the Senate, she will decline the salary and pension? She is only required to actually attend once every two sessions to maintain her seat. It would be reasonable to cover that expense and that expense alone. But accepting money for this appointment to a body she is opposed to would make her, well, you know.

Josef, you know her. Ask her. Will Senator Tasha decline the salary and pension? It would be the proper thing to do.

Will you ask her, Josef?

Cherniak_WTF said...

Just leave Tasha alone, okay?
And I was going to ask her out for coffee.....

meddy said...

"Will "The Tash" agree that if appointed to the Senate, she will decline the salary and pension?"
+

How many of these ideologically honed institute-poppers will current economic times accommodate?
Are their prospects not similar to those with advanced degrees in Marxist-Leninism in early 90s east europe?
It is not spurprizing that the more prominent & lucky would jump at a Senate appointment -- gov't sinecure though it may be.
One only hopes the rest will accept the slaps and pummeling from the hidden hand with good grace.
We expect no less, and ourselves bow to their low evaluation by the market. Just a correction, after all.

Mike said...

"Yes, flat & fair taxation"

Some libertarian...

Josef has admitted to having Aspergers, so really, you are having a battle of wits with an unarmed man...

Josef said...

Mike, flat and fair to me means you are taxed only 10% of your earnings above say 25,000 so the poor aren't hammered.

Wayne said...

Josef: You are a breath of fresh air, I could not agree more.

Josef said...

Thanks Wayne. I don't have any more time for the clusterf--- goin' down, but thank you. Thank you for also opening my eyes to these pukes.

Oh and for the record, the Tash doesn't have the time of day for this crap. She's too busy rescuing Canada.

Frank Frink said...

She's too busy rescuing Canada.

Yep. Snidely Whiplash has tied sweet Polly Purebread to the tracks and the train is a comin' round the bend any second now...

Ummm.. Josef. Maybe you should be a bit more concerned about rescuing your own country than ours. Gnome sane?

liberal supporter said...

Second time:

Will "The Tash" agree that if appointed to the Senate, she will decline the salary and pension? She is only required to actually attend once every two sessions to maintain her seat. It would be reasonable to cover that expense and that expense alone. But accepting money for this appointment to a body she is opposed to would make her, well, you know.

Josef, you know her. Ask her. Will Senator Tasha decline the salary and pension? It would be the proper thing to do.

Will you ask her, Josef?

liberal supporter said...

Hey Josef, why have you hidden your profile?

Mike said...

Mike, flat and fair to me means you are taxed only 10% of your earnings above say 25,000 so the poor aren't hammered.

Uhm, yeah Josef, I know what a flat tax is. I just never heard of a libertarian argue in favour of ANY tax, flat or progressive.

Libertarians I know (like myself and Somena Woman and well just about everyone else) favour no tax at all...

BTW, google the marginal utility of money.

Breathe of fresh air? Bah, stench of mecantilist, vulgar-libertarian corporatism. Have you googled the synonym for 'corporatism' yet Josef?

KEvron said...

"Hey Josef, why have you hidden your profile"

i checked his profile last night. this is his blog, supposedly.

KEvron

liberal supporter said...

Mike, I thought the libertarian ideal was the government does nothing but defend the borders and build roads. How would they pay for these two activities if not via taxation?

Isn't flat tax a misnomer? It is a flat rate tax, not really a flat tax. A true flat tax would be about $7121 per person. The argument would go "we have one adult one vote, why should it not be one adult one tax?".

I tried asking Hunter if she supported that during one of her "too many taxpayer supported stuff redistributing income" rants. That was when she started deleting my comments. Mainly because I said if she did not support a per person tax, then she supports income redistribution (even with a flat rate tax), which makes her a commie...

Anonymous said...

Tasha should be delivered with on of those bags you find in airplanes. She's a heartless bitch with no regards to those who cannot afford her jewelry. Fuck this bitch. Fuck her in her ugly, anorexic, deformed ass.