Thursday, December 20, 2007

And now for my two cents.


As the only girl on this blog, I thought it was time that you all got to share in my opinion of the Canadian Blog Award fiasco now in full throttle. I haven’t posted anything up to now because, quite bluntly, CC and PSA have taken care of things quite nicely. However, and you knew that was coming, I really can’t ignore this any longer.

I don’t believe in labels per se – I guess I just find them to be too confining. That being said, I am a feminist, if, by feminist, you mean someone who believes that gender should never be an issue. Of course, we don’t live in a world like that so I see the need for a feminist movement. If I can do just as good a job as the guy with the penis sitting in the office next to mine, why am I not being paid the same as the guy with said penis?

But here’s the thing, when you say “feminist” to someone like SUZANNE and her fellow shrieking harpies or any of the manly men conservative bloggers, they automatically think “emasculating, man-hating, abortion-loving ball-breaker”. And therein lies the problem. You can’t reason with people who are this pathologically stupid and I have neither the time nor the inclination to try. Besides, what’s the point? They have their agenda and they will never, ever, ever deviate from it. Feminists/progressives are bad, they (i.e. conservatives) are good and never the twain shall meet in their tiny, repressive little minds.

As far as the awards go, I can’t take any of the credit for CC's nomination since I’m the new girl. Even if I could, it’s irrelevant. I believe in what I do, whether it’s blogging or fundraising or volunteering or whatever, and I don’t need an award to justify that. I really don’t need an award put together by a group of people who would roll over and play dead that quickly for a vicious, hateful, finger-pointing scold/cunt like SUZANNE.

So that’s my two cents ... for what it’s worth.

My, my, aren't we sensitive. Saskboy in the comments here:

CC, respectfully, get stuffed.
Sincerely,
Saskboy
Fine print: This message was not approved by the Canadian Blog Awards Operators and is my own opinion. For you, who has now written 4 posts about the CBAs just to say that you're not interested and don't respect the work that I'm trying to do with them, it's really rude. So get STUFFED!
Is that showing a big enough "pair" you selfish, hypocritical, sexist drama-whore?

As Ti-Guy so aptly put it, it's really too fucking bad you didn't show the same amount of spine when SUZANNE, that "selfish, hypocritical, sexist drama-whore" hijacked your awards in the first place. Good saskboy! Would you like a cookie?

And furthermore: (Look out boys, I've got my pointy shoes on and I'm ready to kick ass.) You know, saskboy, I actually felt bad for you because in trying to find a compromise that will make everyone happy, you made no one happy. Except SUZANNE - who got exactly what she wanted - a blog awards that will only recognize blogs that are acceptable to her. So any sympathy I had for you and your awards ... gone.

And btw, "sexist drama-whore"? Seriously? Why go all potty-mouthed when you're here but be perfectly reasonable and civil with SUZANNE while she's pissing all over your discussion thread?

37 comments:

E in MD said...

Suzie reminds me of a bumper sticker on a female friend of mine's car before she wrecked it on a deer.

"Sorry I missed church. I've been busy practicing witchcraft and becoming a lesbian"

This one

rabbit said...

A great deal of the public's revulsion of the word "feminist" is the feminist's own doing.

During the 1970's and 80's, feminism become radicalized in academia. Many of the old guard, with their quaint notions of equality of opportunity, were turfed out. Feminism got caught up in marxism and post-modernism, with it's anti-scientific attitude and moral relativism. Some feminist professors instructed their classes that heterosexuality was betrayal, that "Principia Mathematica" was a rape manual, that free enterprize was oppression, and that all white males were, by definition, racists and rapists.

Not all feminists were this radical, but it doesn't take too many to stigmatize the entire field.

pretty shaved ape said...

rabbit, replace feminist with conservative and there are plenty of examples to fulfill your premise.

do the same with liberals or pick your group, hell, there's radicals and whack jobs flying every flag. too many people seem all too eager to discredit and demonize feminism on the flimsiest of grounds. by your reckoning there shouldn't be a conservative drawing a check in washington, dc after examining the career of ann coulter or michelle malkin or richard cheney etc and etc and etc.

the stigma was pre-determined. talk to just about anyone that has an issue with those darn feminists and get them to name one of the scary old broads that so tarnished the field. how often do you see the name of an andrea dworkin on the news. does she or one of her compatriots get column space, syndication, guest shots on cable week after week?

the whole fucking world has changed and changed and changed again since the 80s. the united states of america has abandoned habeas corpus, kidnaps and imprisons people without charge, tortures people in black op prisons, obstructs justice and spies on its own citizens. cnada turns a blind eye to our citizens being held in foreign cells on death row, ignores the plight of imprisoned canadian children until it begins to become a pr problemn and happily shits on science, abrogating treaties and obstructing progress all to prop up the filthiest approach to reaping petro dollars imaginable.

sounds like we could use a few uppity dames shaking up the power structure. the old boys seem determined to fuck everything up and ensure our kids a toxic future. a far the radical academic feminists of the 70s and 80s, they've done virtually no damage, especially compared to the neo-conservative movement born of the think tanks of the 80s and 90s.

prove me wrong and i'll mail you a cookie.

Red Tory said...

There's probably an element of truth in that, along with a fair bit of exaggeration. I quite like the idea of Principia Mathematica being a rape manual. Imagining the tortured logic that would be involved is pretty funny.

rabbit said...

RT:

The "logic" was something about Newton establishing his power and dominion over nature - having his way with her, so to speak.

Some said nature was just asking for it, dressing the way she does, but I trust we are beyond such neanderthal attitudes.

Saskboy said...

"pretty shaved ape said...

poor sask is losing his cool. seems the discussion pages have disappeared from the cba site. and just as a note sask, if you're still lurking, you decided to lose your shit on cc and you've ignored my contribution to the field of you boobs shot yourselves in the feet. that hurts my feelings. perhaps i should take my silly feelings elsewhere while i form a pout and get into a snit. oh wait a second, i'm a tenant here, how bout you take your silly little snit with you while you perform the obligatory fucking off dance."

PSA, get stuffed too, if that's your attitude.

LuLu, "Would you like a cookie?"

LuLu, while you CC, and PSA are busy "not caring" about the CBAs, please take the time to GET STUFFED.

Realize that insulting me *personally* for not running an awards site how YOU want them to be run, is fricken stupid. Get over yourselves! And Get Stuffed!

Oh and Merry Christmas.

Red Tory said...

Rabbit — Some said nature was just asking for it, dressing the way she does, but I trust we are beyond such neanderthal attitudes.

LOL. Priceless. That's the best laugh I've had today.

LuLu said...

Realize that insulting me *personally* for not running an awards site how YOU want them to be run, is fricken stupid. Get over yourselves! And Get Stuffed!

As I've said, I don't care how you run your awards, I care that you let SUZANNE run your awards. So your woe-is-me argument counts for shit.

And Merry Christmas to you as well.

Saskboy said...

"And btw, "sexist drama-whore"? Seriously? Why go all potty-mouthed when you're here but be perfectly reasonable and civil with SUZANNE while she's pissing all over your discussion thread? "

"get a pair" isn't sexist?

4+ posts and updates about how he doesn't care if other people participate, then flipping to 'if you participate you're an idiot' isn't a drama-whore???

I know what CC's bread and butter is, it's potty talk, and when in Rome...
Whereas Suzanne has never sweared at me and tried to form a posse to lynch my efforts at creating something online. I completely disagree with her politics, but that doesn't mean I have to swear at her to mount an effective opposition.

In my view I'm being perfectly reasonable in telling Ti-guy, CC, PSA, and possibly you too to Get Stuffed, because this blog is all about being crude to people to make a point. If you're taking it so personally maybe you can tell your co-bloggers to tone their insults down just a tad if they can't take what they dish out!

Red Tory said...

Saskboy — I left a suggestion for you on the previous thread re this subject. Don't worry, nothing crude or insulting. It's about the polling.

Saskboy said...

"Even if I could, it’s irrelevant. I believe in what I do, whether it’s blogging or fundraising or volunteering or whatever, and I don’t need an award to justify that. I really don’t need an award put together by a group of people who would roll over and play dead"

Maybe the problem is we didn't put up a mission statement?

One that spells out for people that online polls are make believe like elves, gremlins, and Conservative ethics. (ha ha)

The point of the CBAs (this year at least) is to create a blog community generated list (someone properly categorized) of interesting or notable blogs active in Canada (or by Canadians). To convince more people to add their blogs to this interesting list, there's a friendly (ha ha) competition at the end where blog readers vote on their favourites. Surprise, the bloggers with the most readers tend to win! But not always. CC was one of the slack jawed yokels (like me) who learned that Raymi the Minx is a player in the Canadian Blogosphere. Who knew? I want to let the next Raymi shock isolated, and full of themselves bloggers like CC and Suzanne.

Saskboy said...

RT, don't make me hunt through this drek please, just email it.

Saskboy said...

(correction, someone = somewhat properly)

Red Tory said...

Sure.

pretty shaved ape said...

sask, the thing is, i tried to defend you at first. i thought you were doing your thing with honest good intentions. i posted here and elsewhere that you should be given the benefit of the doubt. you used up all of the benefits by whining that the pro-feminists were the bullies while you ignored the rampant and prolific bullying that went on under your nose and on your watch.

i still think you got blindsided by suzie all-caps. but i also tend to think that either pride, pique or dumb fuckedness has prevented you form admitting that you guys screwed up. i never claimed not to care, i supported your stated goal including the rationale for ignoring the inevitable corrupted freeping of the results. but when you knuckled under to suzie, waffled and whined and crawled, you didn't make a compromise deal, you compromised the whole she-bang.

i understand that your feelings are hurt. you fucked up and you got called on it and no amount of post facto weaseling will change that. so whatever, lash out at me if it makes you feel better. the fact remains that all of the hew and cry that surrounds this affair could have been avoided easily enough. all you had to do was tell suzie to shut her bitter yawp and that you'd take the idea of a feminist award under advisement with an answer by the weekend.

you dealt with the addition of an educational award with perfect professionalism. for reasons only you will ever know, you reacted to suzie's prod and you decided to kiss her loathesome ass and alienate a large and vociferous blogging faction. you are the ones that decided to jump in the 'non-partisan' pool and swim with people like suzie. don't expect us to feel sorry for you when the water turns yellow. and it was your co-operator that undercut your time extension.

the fact is that suzie lit the fuse, you neglected fire control procedures and you can't seem to fathom why shit blew up in your face. i read your blog. you're a perfectly intelligent cat. you tried to do something good with a flawed property and it didn't work. you haven't handled the failure well and you haven't been helped by those around you. thing is you continue to flail and those of us that wanted you to pick up a clue are now just going to watch the thing flop. c'est la blahg.

LuLu said...

If you're taking it so personally maybe you can tell your co-bloggers to tone their insults down just a tad if they can't take what they dish out!

My point was that you feel you can argue one way with us and another way with SUZANNE - whereas we argue the same way everywhere.

I have no problem with you addressing someone with respect - I just don't think SUZANNE deserves it. She hijacked your awards, got exactly what she wanted and pretty much fucked it up for you and everyone else.

Which is what everyone is so pissed about. By agreeing with her that the categories should lack ideology, you allowed her ideology to trump everyone else's, including, I think, your own.

LuLu said...

PSA's using my brain much more effectively than I am ...

Sheena said...

I'm printing Team Saskboy shirts and selling them on cafepress.com

jj said...

"Whereas Suzanne has never sweared at me and tried to form a posse to lynch my efforts at creating something online."

Wakey-wakey, Sask... what would you call Suzanne and her buddies from socon blogs all zooming in to dispute the feminist category as soon as it was proposed? That was the definition of a posse assembled for the express purpose of lynching creative efforts.

CC said...

Saskboy:

In terms of SUZANNE lynching someone's efforts at creating something online, how exactly would you describe this?

Face it, SB -- you're just the latest in SUZANNE's series of online victims to have their efforts trashed by that whiny, little bitch. The only difference is that she actually got to you pre-emptively.

Cherniak_WTF said...

thing is you continue to flail and those of us that wanted you to pick up a clue are now just going to watch the thing flop. c'est la blahg.
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Usually when you flip flop in death throes you expire... Why continue on when the whole endeavour as turned into a mockery?

Continuing on will only give satisfaction to the Boring Tories and demean any honest blogger...

Dana said...

The NDP aren't working to accommodate the Cons either are they?

NooooNooooo, of course they're not...not...not...not...

They're just standing up to them on certain particular issues that are important to the NDP.

Feminism not being one of those issues evidently.

Saskboy said...

"Face it, SB -- you're just the latest in SUZANNE's series of online victims"

And also the latest in your series. Congratulations, you can whip up a posse as well as Suzanne. Take a fricken bow!

Cherniak_WTF said...

SB, that's your line?
If you can't see the difference between cogent humans and a bunch of androids....
Continue on with that circle jerk....

LuLu said...

Seriously, saskboy, put your big girl panties on and stop playing the victim. It's getting old.

Saskboy said...

"Seriously, saskboy, put your big girl panties on"

More sexist insults eh? You're sure showing me.

Cherniak_WTF said...

Geesh Saskboy, are you going for the "Werner Pastel wannabe" award?
Can you be a bigger bitch? Seriously, get over your sucky little award thing....

You are getting disturbing, in that creepy way....

Dana said...

There's no allowance for the possibility that this has just been a wrong decision and people are disturbed by it.

There's only attack them as "a posse".

There's no allowance for the perception that accommodating the right wing crazies is or might be unprincipled or cowardly.

There's only anger, arrogance, protestations of infallibility and howls of sanctimony.

Like adolesceent boys.

Saskboys.

KEvron said...

how come i never get invited to join the posse?! i'm gonna get a complex....

KEvron

Kelseigh said...

Hey Saskboy, get off the cross. We need the lumber.

Scotian said...

Oh good grief, this is getting more than a little ridiculous. Saskboy, I am sorry but in this judging by all that I have read and seen there is a legitimate complaint regarding how you dealt with the big S and the blog awards changes you made at her insistence, and there is also one regarding how you dealt with her complaint and how you have dealt with those that complained about what you did at the big S's behest. Personally I could care less about any of it because any blog awards that allows for more than one vote is in my mind inherently useless as a gauge because it encourages freeping, even if I cared about such things in the first place which I don't. I have never been nominated for a blog award, never voted for any, and have no interests in ever doing so. I write for myself and to put my opinions out there and that is where I get my satisfaction in all of this, popularity contests strike me as for those whose egos/sense of self worth need outside reinforcement. I say this to underscore that I am a completely disinterested observer in all of this. That you have come off looking like the one overreacting and acting in less than good faith in terms of evenhandedness is solely based on your own words and deeds and of everyone else's. Sorry.

Saskboy said...

"That you have come off looking like the one overreacting and acting in less than good faith in terms of evenhandedness"

That's your opinion. Enjoy being wrong while you're busy judging what you don't care about.

I think it would be nice if more people cared to have their blogs listed where Canadians can easily find them, and ignore the voting portion if that's not their thing. If all you get out of it is another person to criticize for not doing exactly what you would do, then I hope I made your Christmas a little Merrier.

Dana said...

Jeebus, nothing endears like petulance eh?

You vacuous, self-satisfied little shite.

I think its time to let the loopy dippers and cons jerk each other off and just walk away.

Chimera said...

Saskboy, if you're still reading this thread, let me add my extremely temperate voice to the rest: You dropped the ball.

You can either put it back in play, or you can take it with you when you go home.

If you go home, I'm going to withdraw all the nominations I made. I don't need to be involved in a lopsided skeet shoot with feminists as the clay pigeons; and the people whose blogs I nominated don't need it, either.

"I think it would be nice if more people cared to have their blogs listed where Canadians can easily find them, and ignore the voting portion if that's not their thing."

If you don't think the voting is important -- if the only purpose you can see for the CBA is publicity for Canadian blogs -- why don't you just create another goddamn blogroll and be done with it?

Dr.Dawg said...

Saskboy,

I recall some pretty heated discussions aeons ago on somebody's blog or other about feminism, and feminists, and the whole ball of wax. I can't recall it now, don't really want to recall it, but it seemed to me at the end of it all that you were a little on the irritable side when it came to feminism--maybe a tad defensive.

That's perfectly OK. If we men weren't defensive, it would be surprising. We're socialized a certain way, and challenges to that make us uneasy.

BUT: if we want to wear the "progressive" badge, it seems to be that we should not just remain irritated, but examine WHY we are.

This Best Canadian Blog issue was a test. You failed it--so far. You made an error in judgement, and so what, everyone does that from time to time; you got hammered for it, probably a trifle hard if the desired result was dialogue; and you didn't rise to the occasion. Period.

It would be a real classy move right now to swallow hard, admit you made a hasty error, and fix things. Not because you were "bullied," but because it's the right thing to do.

Come on. As the feminists would say, man up and make this stupid controversy die its rightful death.

Cherniak_WTF said...

I think it would be nice if more people cared to have their blogs listed where Canadians can easily find them, and ignore the voting portion if that's not their thing.
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Shorter: I want my award blog to be popular...

Scotian said...

Saskboy:

*sigh*

You missed my point in your indignancy in why I stressed I have no interest in this. My point is that it has become such a large issue that I have encountered it in many places that I have read, enough that I bothered to find out what the fuss was all about, and this is after going through all of it how the situation appeared to me. That the appearance to someone who is truly disinterested in the awards themselves let alone the winners/losers or categories chosen is that you have appeared to employ a double standard in how you addressed complaints registered on an issue doesn't have you looking good, and worse once you did so decide you have been quite shall we say sensitive about it in terms of the emotional content of your various replies throughout the blogosphere explaining/justifying it.

I would suggest to you that you missed this point because you are being too busy feeling defensive about a decision which has caused you some discomfort, and not because you are too dense to grasp it. As to your point about wanting wider readership, I have had the option of being on an aggregator for years now, indeed your co-operator of the awards Scott Tribe has on more than a few occasions tried to get me to sign up for ProgBlogs because he claims my work is simply too good to not deserve that kind of exposure. At no point however in my comment did I suggest that anyone else should or should not seek such exposure, it all depends on what is important to them in relation to why they blog. Yet you clearly read that into what I wrote which I would suggest to you shows you did not read it with a clear mind but were already prejudging it at the minimum subconsciously, which I might also suggest has been a problem for you throughout your handling of this affair.

You are too busy letting yourself feel persecuted to recognize that at this point regardless of whether your original decision was right or wrong the way you have defended it has done you and the blog awards you represent significant damage in the progressive community from all appearances. You are clearly running on so much anger you are reading far more into why someone is saying something than should be properly done as you did with my comment especially when I underscored why I was saying it was to point out that from the distance I have from it as well as those more closely involved with it you have not come off looking good at all. It matters not to me whether I am right or wrong, but it should matter to you that someone as detached from this entire fuss went back and read through all available material and ended up with that impression. Remember Saskboy, the comment I made in this thread was the very first I have made on this issue anywhere in the blogosphere, and this the second. Dismiss it all you chose to, I did this only to try to help you see that regardless of how right you may feel you have been in this you are paying a very significant negative price and that you are in your attitude in dealing with the pro-feminist side of this have only made this damage significantly deeper and wider than it otherwise needed to be, and worse have done so while acting like you are a victim in all of this which is as you should well know a favoured tactic of the wingnut right in NA.

I don't care if you listen or laugh at all this Saskboy, what matters to me is that I tried. What you chose to do with it is entirely up to you, but given the wide degree of negative reaction you have gotten within the progressive community especially those with feminist and even some of the GLBT subsets over this you should take fairly seriously the fact that I felt it was something I felt I had to weigh in on (as while I am a long winded writer I do not feel the need to comment on anything/everything) despite my personal disinterest as a strong sign of just how deep/profound this damage is.